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Subject: Re: RDRAM rocks for chessprograms

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:30:16 09/29/00

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On September 28, 2000 at 21:22:09, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>>>>>>So a single lookup in memory is in its most realistic case:
>>>>>>  10ns x 11T = 110 clocks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can do a lot in 110 clocks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If that gets suddenly down to less as 20 clocks, then
>>>>>>it's clear that this rocks bigtime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>considering the huge number of tables in my program which all together
>>>>>>eat hundreds of kilobytes of RAM, i'm estimating that speedup *might*
>>>>>>be like 20% or so in the middlegame for DIEP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However programs that are very fast and are basically wasting their system
>>>>>>time at hashtables might profit even more. I wouldn't be amazed by a 2 fold
>>>>>>speedup for certain programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's what EDO ram to SDRAM did for my draughtsprogram at least...
>>>
>>>I actually tried an RDRAM machine recently.  I ran my chess program benchmark
>>>(WAC at 1s/posn) on a P3/933 + PC800 and got 1060 knps.  I have a P3/933 with
>>>SDRAM at home.  On that system I get 1083 knps.
>>>
>>>So, at least with my program, SDRAM is slightly better.  I suspect that SDRAM
>>>will actually be a whole lot better if your program is at all memory speed
>>>bound.  Mine isn't apparently: when I set the memory to run at 100 MHz instead
>>>of 133 MHz (which I can do independent of the FSB speed with the motherboard
>>>I'm using) I get 1066 knps--which is still faster than the RDRAM result...
>>>-Dan.
>>
>>I'm amazed!
>>
>>What SDRAM133 do you have at home, 2-2-2, 2-3-3 or 3-3-3?
>>the difference between 2-2-2 (which is the fastest) and 3-3-3 should
>>be a bit less as 10% for latency.
>>
>>What chipset did the machine have where you tested the rdram at and
>>how many banks of RIMMS did it have?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Vincent
>
>And new techonology are comming in this area :
>
>http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/list_news.php?category=HARDWARE
>
>-Low latency DDR-II will be based on EDRAM-
>...E-DDR II performs, according to independent studies of IBM and the university
>of Maryland up to 22% better in SpecInt than DDR-II!...
>
>The beauty about the EDRAM concept is that it adds very little SRAM and thus die
>space to the chip, to be more exact only 1.4%!. Those SRAM buffers contain the
>row data, and the controller can read those buffers instead of the sense amps.
>While the SRAM buffers are read, the sense amps are free for precharge and
>refresh operations. In other words, those SRAM buffers can eliminate latencies
>like the precharge latency.

ddr sdram is not new technology.
it's SDRAM but now chips on both sides of the DIMM.

So it's improving upon sdram exactly 2 times in speed.





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