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Subject: Re: Moderation issue: Seirawan lost to Benjamin, loses lead with ...

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 02:30:04 10/11/00

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On October 10, 2000 at 23:01:04, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On October 10, 2000 at 18:23:33, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>We made a charter and elected a troika to enforce it. Then we called moderators
>>the members of this troika, no matter what the Webster has to say about it.
>>
>>So: moderators take care of avoiding personal attacks and off-topics, that's
>>all.
>
>I think the moderators are free, within reason, to set the limits of their job.
>I don't see that there is any reason to hand-cuff them by getting overly
>technical about exactly what they can and can't do.
>
>>You may find headers confusing and say so, but it is by no means a moderation
>>issue.
>
>I think that it is undesirable to argue about minor details.

In itself it is a very minor issue, I agree, and the fact that we are posting
under the same confusing title without problems proves it. In fact, I jumped in
because Ed and Bob were having a misunderstanding over a simple point perceived
as patronizing, I thought I could make it a bit more clear and hoped it would be
my only post in this thread.

It is not, to me, a matter of handcuffing moderators, as you put it, but of not
handcuffing CCC members by setting more and more rules that go beyond the
original formula of CCC = RGCC minus personal attacks (it must be an excellent
formula, since it was mine.:)  ). Avoiding anything that might be overstepping
or patronizing wouldn't bother either. The "uproar" mentioned by Bob comes from
people sensitive to this, which I find a healthy attitude.

I am well aware of the gray areas and of how difficult it is to moderate in a
way that won't be controversial. We already discussed issues related to
moderation several times, in public and in private. Still, the best moderation,
like a competent referee in soccer, goes unnoticed. Not easy, but in my opinion
it is better to keep it simple, transparent and true to the original purpose of
CCC, as expressed in the charter or in that formula.

Enrique

>If the moderators
>want to tell people to clarify the titles of their posts, I don't see why it is
>up to anyone to get seriously huffed.
>
>Not everything the moderators do is limited to strict enforcement of the
>charter.  A great many issues come up that are not covered by the charter, and
>even when issues do come up, there is very little in the charter that explains
>how they should be handled.
>
>I think this is a fortunate accident.  Please let's let our moderators have some
>room to personalize their terms, rather than creating a place that is
>permanently gray and rigid.  Our current moderation system does have flaws, but
>an overly long term is not among them.
>
>bruce
>
>>>And yes it is easier to tell someone _else_ how to moderate than it is to
>>>do it yourself.
>>
>>I remember. And I am not a moderator anymore. :)
>>
>>Enrique



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