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Subject: Re: LeTiger and Crafty on ICC

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:24:47 11/01/00

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On November 01, 2000 at 16:05:01, David Beauregard wrote:

>On November 01, 2000 at 04:52:57, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>
>>On October 31, 2000 at 21:21:20, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>On October 31, 2000 at 07:06:36, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 31, 2000 at 00:28:55, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 30, 2000 at 22:49:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 30, 2000 at 21:30:09, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just went and checked to see what Crafty has been doing recently, and it has
>>>>>>>been idle for 44 minutes.  It has played four games in the past eight hours.  It
>>>>>>>has played seven games so far today and it played eight yesterday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It doesn't seem that you need to worry that much about people hogging it.  If
>>>>>>>Crafty has been idle for 45 minutes, why not play against a Tiger?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is not real common.  And Murphy's law often strikes.  IE I logged on
>>>>>>Friday and had two different complaints from humans that got interrupted.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just checked again and guess what?  Idle: 44
>>>>>
>>>>>bruce
>>>>
>>>>What's itching you. There are litterally tens of craftys you can play any
>>>>time. There is scrappy which has the same hardware as crafty, you can
>>>>download the source or an executable yourself. You have hundreds of other
>>>>options, but still you go on and on like a five year old child wanting
>>>>candy about playing exactly the one crafty which is reserved for strong
>>>>human opponents.
>>>>
>>>>What is your real motivation for this nonsence ?
>>>>
>>>>Andreas Stabel
>>>
>>>The motivation for some people, (Bruce excepted) is they see Crafty's high
>>>rating and want to take some of the points.  Most of the more open crafty's are
>>>much lower rated.  And as far as I Know, there is only 1 quad xeon crafty on the
>>>ICC.
>>>
>>>JW
>>
>>Ahaaaaaa - rating envy :)
>>It must be as bad as penis envy !
>>It explains a lot of the, to me, completely irrational complaining about
>>not beeing allowed to play one of the many instanses of crafty.
>>
>>Andreas
>>
>>
>>Andreas
>
>Andreas...what is all the fuss about my asking Hyatt to not censor or no play
>LeTiger anymore.  The questions was not directed at you and I do not think you
>know the circumstance of the problem.  I am not the only one who has had a
>problem with Hyatt censoring and noplaying their programs.  Just ask Amir Ban of
>Junior and others.

As I said, I removed you when you asked.  however, I do _not_ have an
obligation to play _anybody_.  And if I stipulate that you have to play me
while standing on one foot and singing Amazing Grace in e-flat, than that is
my rule, and you can either do it or not play me.  Make any rules you want
for _your_ handle.  I will either honor them or not play you.

To further this, why don't you ask others how much trouble _they_ have with
my policies.  I play a dozen different accounts that use all sorts of different
programs.  They seem to have _no_ problem with my policies and they play games
_all_ the time.

I reserve the right to not play people that won't follow my rules.  I reserve
the right to not play people that are intentionally insulting.  I reserve the
right to not play people that pee on my front porch.  Heck, I reserve the right
to not play people just because I don't want to play them.



>If you had to search thru 24 histories to see who was a Tiger program or not and
>then made one mistake and was the fifth one and got noplayed and then censored
>when you tried to explain then I think you would think differently.  I do not
>need crafty"s rating points and it certainly is not penis envy which I think is
>a sad commentary.  Bruce is right.  This finger note problem is a nasty problem.


Why is it a nasty problem?  I have a sign in my yard "Beware of dogs".  If
you come into my front yard, you had _better_ be looking around.  I also don't
allow automobiles in my front yard, because I have a sprinkler system and don't
want the sprinkler heads damanged.  But all I have to say is "no cars on front
lawn".  I don't have to give a reason.  I don't have to even _have_ a reason.
If I only want to play computers with 4 letter handles on ICC, I see no reason
why I can't do that.  I suppose I totally miss the point here, as you can tell.
What obligates _me_ to play _anybody_?  No computer operator supplies me with
hardware to use, with a network connection to use, nor with software to use.
So where is _my_ obligation stemming from?




> LeTiger plays all humans and GM and IM's and computers and have no played or
>censored anybody.


I think your policy is stupid.  You _must_ noplay somebody, even if you have
no reason.  Why?  because _I_ say so, that's why.  Or at least that is the
logic you (and others) are using when telling _me_ what _I_ should be doing.

When you can convince me of a good reason why I am obligated to play you or
anybody else, regardless of what program they use, how abusive they are, etc,
then I will change.  But I see little chance since I am _not_ in debt to
anybody.



>
>David Beauregard
>
>David Beauregard



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