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Subject: Re: How advanced was deep blue's software?

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 17:40:54 11/07/00

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On November 07, 2000 at 19:51:46, walter irvin wrote:

>On November 07, 2000 at 18:59:57, michael mayfield wrote:
>
>>I remember reading somewhere that deep blue's software wasn't very strong
>>compared to programs like fritz and that it was the hardware speed that was the
>>main factor to account for its strength....Anyone have an info about this?
>>
>>
>>thanks..
>people always like to say that deep blue had a great eval and so far better than
>any pc program . the reality is that if you could run hiarcs at 200,000,000 nps
>it would be rated 3000+ elo .its 90% hardware 10% software .i mean if you could
>run sargon III at 200,000,000 it would be a super grandmaster .i think also what
>helped deep blue was the program was not available for kasparov to practice
>against .

My daughter takes an Aikido class, and I have to wonder when I see her trying to
avoid getting whacked with a stick.

I would think that anyone with a stick, especially a stick of razor-sharp steel,
which is what the stick used in her class is really supposed to symbolize, would
simply die instantly if they had to encounter one without having their own
stick, or even better, a gun.

But there she is, trying to get out of the way of this stick, in order to
achieve some tactical advantage against the guy who has it.  She has no idea why
she is doing this, but there she goes.

Now I'd like to try to make some sense out of what I just said.  I think that
this story can be used to understand both points of view.

1) You can say that the guy with the stick is like DB, and the guy without the
stick is a micro programmer.  A huge amount of work is required in order to
achieve anywhere near parity, while the guy with the stick can be somewhat
complacent because all he has to do is land one solid whack and he wins.  But
the position of the underdog is easy to play, because you aren't expected to
win, and I think all of us would love to try.

2) You can say that the guy without the stick is like DB.  If you want to go
200,000,000 nps in 1997, you have to do what they did, and freaking build your
own computer.  If you want to talk about Hiarcs going 200,000,000 nps, I'm sure
that Uniacke would love to go that fast.  But you have to deal with the fact
that *he did not do it*.  DB *did it*, even if it meant building their own
machine.  So give them credit for that.  What you are doing is giving someone a
hard time for taking a few months to walk across the US, because you can do it
faster in a car.  Well, if it is 1802, you don't have much choice.  You either
walk or you don't go.  DB walked, and they got there.  Bravo.  Personally, I
will wait until a faster computer comes along.

bruce



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