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Subject: Re: ChessWire #57 Bushinsky quote

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:52:22 11/07/00

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On November 07, 2000 at 14:06:12, Albert Silver wrote:

>On November 06, 2000 at 15:46:04, Paulo Soares wrote:
>
>>On November 06, 2000 at 01:55:10, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>>On November 05, 2000 at 20:45:31, Paulo Soares wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 05, 2000 at 15:55:16, Howard Exner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a cut and paste from ChessWire #57 (Kasparov Chess)
>>>>>
>>>>>Q: With the increasing power of computers, when do you think an unbeatable
>>>>>computer chess program will appear?
>>>>>
>>>>>A: Shay Bushinsky answers:
>>>>>The term unbeatable is a very tough word indeed. I cannot say that a computer
>>>>>will ever be unbeatable in any given game in the near future, but I do see a
>>>>>time - maybe in about three years from now, when a computer will always prevail
>>>>>in an eight game match against the strongest human.
>>>>>
>>>>>I always take special note when a chess computer authority discloses their
>>>>>projections on how chess computers will play in the future. Some follow up
>>>>>questions ...
>>>>>
>>>>>- What sort of hardware would this be?
>>>>>- Is the Junior team working on a massive multi-processor project?
>>>>>- "eight game match" is chosen. Would the "strongest human" do better in a
>>>>>longer match?
>>>>>- Are GM's that you know disclosing more information on how Junior and other
>>>>>strong programs are playing today? Not looking for exact names and quotes here
>>>>>as they might want to keep that discussion in private, just general
>>>>>observations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't believe that a commercial program can win matchs of 8 games against
>>>>SGMs in three years.
>>>
>>>I feel the same way about a home pc beating the top player in the world in three
>>>years at standard 40/2.
>>>That's why I was curious for more details. I wondered if Shay was referring to a
>>>multi-processor machine or just an affordable home pc. Also I'm guessing that
>>>he and Amir are fortunate in having many GM associations. Perhaps they know
>>>something we don't?
>>>
>>>>I consider probable that the program wins the first match, but it will be
>>>>difficult to continue winning, because SGMs(or GMs) will already be knowing the
>>>>weaknesses of the program.
>>>>
>>>>Paulo
>>
>>
>>Although it seems madness, I believe that if Deeper Blue continued playing
>>matches against SGMs with certain frequency, they would also discover its
>>weaknesses.
>>The great challenge is not to build a group "computer+software" that wins
>>some matches, but a group that stays winning matches with a great frequency.
>>In my opinion, it is very difficult to believe that Shay and Amir get that
>>in 3 years.
>>
>>Paulo
>
>Bof. Computer chess scientists have been reporting the ultimate demise of
>humanity in chess for a long long time. No surprise there. It makes for good
>headlines, but I wouldn't put much more weight to it than that. You have to more
>than double the speed to get an extra ply (and let's also rememember Moore's
>Law), and I am not convinced that a couple of plies are going to be a super-GM's
>downfall. Of course, the quality of programs improves and has improved over the
>years, but again, I have trouble believing 3 years will be the last nails in our
>chess coffins. It'll come, but I don't think it will be quite so soon.
>
>                                       Albert


A correct (IMHO) but unpopular stand.

:)



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