Author: Alvaro Rodriguez
Date: 12:36:30 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 15:05:06, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 14:14:22, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: > >>Yes, if I had my own program to operate, I would not distinguish between humans >>and computers when analyzing the games, but I guess there is a difference. Bob >>for example, would care as he prefers to play against the GM´s on ICC and >>analyzes those games with more interest then against computers. It depends on >>who is operating, but I guess most of the operators cares wheather it´s a human >>or a computer. > >I think that is true if it's the programmer who operates the program or owns the >account, because it could diminish the value of the data significantly. Frankly, >I couldn't care less about the ordinary consumer. The main objective must be to >have fun with a program you've bought. That should be independent of whether >you're playing a human or a disguised computer. Yup, the main objective is to have fun. If the owner of the account who "gets cheated" is the programmer, then I think it matters if the opponent is a human or not. Because the programmer might be looking at some specific problems or bugs in the program, let say, when playing against humans. > >>Advanced chess is interesting for sure, but I think you should tell your >>opponent before the game if you are about to use a program as a "coach". > >That can be quite difficult if the programmer or operator isn't there, but >you're right in principle. But if you're not interested in a permanent computer >account then I don't see any problems in testing a new (or old) computer program >against a computer account for fun, doing as little harm as possible. Yes, you are right, I´ve done this several times in chess.net. I´ve asked some (C) accounts to play me, and that I would use a program to help me. Many of them accepted and in fact thanked me for asking ! > >>Otherwise, your opponent thinks he´s playing against a human and that is wrong >>IMO. Mogens, what do you mean when you say you are against computer program >>"rights" in general ? > >Basically I don't find that "cheating" against computer programs is in the same >league as cheating against a human being at all. Unless we're talking about >special circumstances, ie. programmers needing information from games against a >human player or something similar. I agree. > >Playing advanced chess against a computer account is just as valid as buying the >latest software and hardware for the sole purpose of being the best account at >ICC. The latter option won't make you a better chess player. Maybe ICC should >contemplate making (AC) accounts as well, or remove the human accounts >altogether. No more cheating :o). I still don´t understand why people wants to cheat, ok, they gain little respect maybe if they suceeds, but you don´t gain any money or improve your chess skills much. But creating (AC) accounts could be a good idea. In chess.net, you can see if your opponent is switching aplications, could be ICQ or a computer program. Do they have that on ICC ? Alvaro > >Mogens.
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