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Subject: Re: bean counters

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:43:42 11/16/00

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On November 16, 2000 at 10:29:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 16, 2000 at 09:14:38, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>On November 16, 2000 at 09:07:23, walter irvin wrote:
>>
>>>to me programs fall into 2 list bean counters and knowledge based .
>>>bean counters
>>>fritz
>>>junior
>>>nimzo
>>>lg2000a
>>>
>>>knowledge based
>>>shredder
>>>hiarcs
>>>rebel
>>>tiger
>>>diep
>>>crafty
>>>king
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Could you post an example for a position where for example Crafty shows superior
>>chessknowledge compaired to Junior ?
>>
>>pete
>
>
>Since I don't have any commercial program, I can't test them, but here is one
>simple test, just for fun.  Evaluation after 1 ply search...
>
>[D]4k///3pp/1P4P///4K w
>
>This is just one test, of many.  The idea is that last year, a GM friend of
>mine tried this against a couple of well-known programs, and both preferred
>black with the two connected passed pawns.  This would be correct if there
>were lots of pieces left on the board.  But in this position, the white king
>can stop the black pawns easily.  The black king has a problem.
>
>It would be interesting to see how other programs handle this.  My static
>eval is +1.5, for instance, although a 1 ply search will produce the same
>score, approximately.
>
>If you want, we can try a few of these for fun, for anyone willing to
>participate.  I hate to give away all my 'secrets' of course, but since Crafty
>is open source, nothing is really secret. :)

The evaluation of my Junior5.9 after 1 ply search is +0.58 for white
The evaluation of hiarcs7.32 after 1 ply is +5.27 for white
The evaluation of fritz5.32 after 1 ply is +0.03 for white

I think that it is better to take the following position for testing

[D]4k3/8/8/3pp3/8/8/1P4P1/4K3 w - - 0 1

Uri



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