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Subject: Re: Rebel high rating vs Humans is due to openings preparation !

Author: pavel

Date: 17:41:06 11/19/00

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On November 19, 2000 at 15:19:05, Torstein Hall wrote:

>On November 19, 2000 at 14:20:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2000 at 14:01:17, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On November 19, 2000 at 13:25:18, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 12:15:04, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 11:55:45, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 01:39:49, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 21:02:47, Ray MacFadyen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Ed
>>>>>>>>Could you please repost the dates and times for your match against V/d Wiel,I
>>>>>>>>must have missed your post and cannot find any imformation on your home
>>>>>>>>page,also what times will you be using for the match.
>>>>>>>>Many thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>Ray MacFadyen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here is the information. When we have more data, pictures it will
>>>>>>>have a column on the Rebel Home Page. If my memory serves me well
>>>>>>>GM John v/d Wiel never lost a game against a computer during the
>>>>>>>AEGON events in the 90ties. If I am wrong I would like to hear!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Match announcement Man versus Machine:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>· GM John van der Wiel versus REBEL.
>>>>>>>· January 2-4, 2001 Round 1-3.
>>>>>>>· January 9-11, 2001 Round 4-6.
>>>>>>>· Time control: 40/120 + 60/all.
>>>>>>>· Location: Maastricht, the Netherlands.
>>>>>>>· Organization: Chess Events Maastricht Foundation.
>>>>>>>· Organization director: Maarten van Gils.
>>>>>>>· Tournament director: Geurt Gijssen.
>>>>>>>· Game comments: Jan van Reek.
>>>>>>>· Live Internet support: Daan Brorens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you, at this time, have any idea what type of hardware Rebel will be running
>>>>>>on?
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>The organization is looking for a hardware sponsor. I have no idea
>>>>>about the current status concerning the hardware. I hope they will
>>>>>get me a nice Thunderbird >= 1000 Mhz. But against humans does it
>>>>>really matter so much?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>If you look at the results reached by the Deep Junior and Fritz, I think it may
>>>>matter a lot! If they have not changed a lot outside the SMP stuff in the
>>>>programs, they won games due to their new better hardware!
>>>>
>>>>But I think your choise of openings will matter even more. Has your opening
>>>>expert Jeroen already started to prepare against van Wiel?
>>>>
>>>>Torstein
>>>
>>> This is the main reason why Rebel has such a good rating against GMs, if
>>>you noticed that most of the matches against GMs Jeroen knew way in advance who
>>>Rebel opponents was going to be and what choices of openings he prefer to play.
>>>In the case of Deep Junior and Deep Fritz playing against different opponents
>>>is a more accurate way of knowing the real strength of the programs, since it is
>>>impossible to prepare diferent opening lines against so many GMs and be as
>>>sucessful as preparing months in advance as it has been in all the Rebel GM
>>>Challenges.
>>>
>>>Pichard.
>
>I do not agree on that as preparing against GM Anand is not very easy. I think
>he has a very wide opening repotoir and can play most any position exelent,
>given a suffisently long time control. Remeber he won the 40/2 games 1 1/2 - 1/2
>last time if I remember right!
>
>>The humans can also do better opening preperation against the machine when they
>>know monthes before the games that they are going to play against Rebel.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I think Jeroen can build a complete new book until the match, making van Welys
>spesific preparation useles. He probably know this very well, so if he prepare
>much at all, he is going to look for known computer weakness in Rebel!
>
>Torstein


remember when a human players (we are talking about GM here) gets out of book,
it's not a problem, but when a computer program does, then it's a major pain in
the ass for the operator.

:)
pavs



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