Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 18:39:52 11/19/00
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On November 19, 2000 at 20:41:06, pavel wrote: >On November 19, 2000 at 15:19:05, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On November 19, 2000 at 14:20:47, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 19, 2000 at 14:01:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On November 19, 2000 at 13:25:18, Torstein Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 12:15:04, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 11:55:45, Peter Hegger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 19, 2000 at 01:39:49, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 18, 2000 at 21:02:47, Ray MacFadyen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi Ed >>>>>>>>>Could you please repost the dates and times for your match against V/d Wiel,I >>>>>>>>>must have missed your post and cannot find any imformation on your home >>>>>>>>>page,also what times will you be using for the match. >>>>>>>>>Many thanks in advance >>>>>>>>>Ray MacFadyen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here is the information. When we have more data, pictures it will >>>>>>>>have a column on the Rebel Home Page. If my memory serves me well >>>>>>>>GM John v/d Wiel never lost a game against a computer during the >>>>>>>>AEGON events in the 90ties. If I am wrong I would like to hear! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Match announcement Man versus Machine: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>· GM John van der Wiel versus REBEL. >>>>>>>>· January 2-4, 2001 Round 1-3. >>>>>>>>· January 9-11, 2001 Round 4-6. >>>>>>>>· Time control: 40/120 + 60/all. >>>>>>>>· Location: Maastricht, the Netherlands. >>>>>>>>· Organization: Chess Events Maastricht Foundation. >>>>>>>>· Organization director: Maarten van Gils. >>>>>>>>· Tournament director: Geurt Gijssen. >>>>>>>>· Game comments: Jan van Reek. >>>>>>>>· Live Internet support: Daan Brorens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you, at this time, have any idea what type of hardware Rebel will be running >>>>>>>on? >>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>>Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>The organization is looking for a hardware sponsor. I have no idea >>>>>>about the current status concerning the hardware. I hope they will >>>>>>get me a nice Thunderbird >= 1000 Mhz. But against humans does it >>>>>>really matter so much? >>>>>> >>>>>>Ed >>>>> >>>>>If you look at the results reached by the Deep Junior and Fritz, I think it may >>>>>matter a lot! If they have not changed a lot outside the SMP stuff in the >>>>>programs, they won games due to their new better hardware! >>>>> >>>>>But I think your choise of openings will matter even more. Has your opening >>>>>expert Jeroen already started to prepare against van Wiel? >>>>> >>>>>Torstein >>>> >>>> This is the main reason why Rebel has such a good rating against GMs, if >>>>you noticed that most of the matches against GMs Jeroen knew way in advance who >>>>Rebel opponents was going to be and what choices of openings he prefer to play. >>>>In the case of Deep Junior and Deep Fritz playing against different opponents >>>>is a more accurate way of knowing the real strength of the programs, since it is >>>>impossible to prepare diferent opening lines against so many GMs and be as >>>>sucessful as preparing months in advance as it has been in all the Rebel GM >>>>Challenges. >>>> >>>>Pichard. >> >>I do not agree on that as preparing against GM Anand is not very easy. I think >>he has a very wide opening repotoir and can play most any position exelent, >>given a suffisently long time control. Remeber he won the 40/2 games 1 1/2 - 1/2 >>last time if I remember right! >> >>>The humans can also do better opening preperation against the machine when they >>>know monthes before the games that they are going to play against Rebel. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I think Jeroen can build a complete new book until the match, making van Welys >>spesific preparation useles. He probably know this very well, so if he prepare >>much at all, he is going to look for known computer weakness in Rebel! >> >>Torstein > > >remember when a human players (we are talking about GM here) gets out of book, >it's not a problem, but when a computer program does, then it's a major pain in >the ass for the operator. > >:) >pavs True, also, for human chess amateurs who use published opening repertoires. While in the opening repertoire, the amateur plays like a GM. But watch out for that first move out of the repertoire! This problem can be alleviated for the human chess amateurs by having some sort of "blurb" for the leaf position which suggests ways to proceed [the appropriate "plan" or some guiding ideas]. Perhaps something like that could be incorporated into the "books" which chess-playing programs use. The chess-playing program could be given some "advice" as to how to proceed from the leaf node. Of course, that "advice" would have to be presented in a form which would be usable by the program.
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