Author: Marcus Kaestner
Date: 01:58:45 12/07/00
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wise words, thorsten. there is nothing to add marcus On December 07, 2000 at 04:10:17, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On December 07, 2000 at 02:19:34, Jouni Uski wrote: > >>What's all about and who is winning... >> >>Jouni > >is it important who is winning or who is right ? >obviously the "problem" damages all 3 involved groups. > >Ossi gets damaged because he again is again suing people like hell, >stefan gets damaged because he has a good program but gets pulled in a >muddy sea, >rebel-team gets damaged because they get parts on the mud on their heads too, >marcus gets damages because suddenly lawyers discuss what he has written in >his chessbits edition. > >the thing is about trusting people. >IMO you cannot "solve" it in an open public forum without hitting each >other. language is only a shadow of reality. in the moment you concentrate >on using language instead of beeing real, you will lose. > >language forces you to think into dualistic categories, when their are no >such categories in real life. >language produces contradictions and paradoxon when in reality there is none. > >language is imperfect to "solve" reality. you can only try to decribe it, >to come near by trying to be accurate (bob would say: language is like >computerchess, be accurate and you will come close !). > >but : as we all know: any poem or any song in lyrics comes nearer to reality >(and much more direct) than cerebral language does. >because if you THINK you normally move within the limits of plein aristotelic >logic. the guy is good or he is bad, or i can't say what he is. > >thats all. > >but in reality you have more stages than those 3. > >so why trying to be accurate, when you produce contradictions and paradoxon ? >better NOT try to be accurate and speak in images and metaphorical and in poems >(new paradigm :-))) to directly hit the nail and cover reality. > >any speech that goes into peoples mind, for long time, was made by emotions. >images. dreams. so the opposite of rational-logical language. > >the ideal that you could talk in logical, rational way, and SOLVE anything by >talking cerebral is utopia ! > >all you do is produce contraditions. no wonder that in a few sentences people >call each other liars. >if they would all sit arround a table, they would drink a beer together and >forget the shit. > >but no - we are intellectuals. we have a brain, and we believe in rationality. >and we are capable to program chess sources. line by line. command by command. >therefore we are capable to sit arround a table and to make anything clear ?! >to say what is the truth and to be honest and open and human like ? all in on >gesture ?! > >its not possible. > >logic is only the beginning. it can never be the end. and it cannot solve >such a conflict. >because this conflict is not about logic. or rational things. >it is about irrational things. > >therefore judges cannot "solve" it. > >all these things are modern kind of duells. > >in old days people took a gun or a sword, and when ossi has a problem >with marcus, they both made a little duell, and in the end the "case" >is over :-) > >today we are more civilized. we hit each other at court. >ossi is very famous for fighting senseless law-suits. >there are others in germany too. i don't name them here, not to >get a yellow card, :-))) but i could name them and the court case >easily. why germany ? >because here we have (or better HAD) many big companies sharing the >computerchess market. german-language-room is a very big computer-chess market. > >who controls germany/austria/netherlands/suisse... >will survive. > >therefore they fight with really mean tricks. > >programmers have to sell their products to those business-man. >and thats the moment programmers get pulled into the mud. > >on the other hand sometimes those business-man help programmers >(if they like each other and profit from each other) >and this makes it all difficult. > >who is right and who is wrong ? > >who will win is another question. > >the winner is not always right. > >all difficult. >but i don't think language will solve this. >only humans can solve something. if they forget to think in >logical and rational and cerebral categories. cause life is IMO >more than +/-/= . > >IMO one should respect each other as human beeings the way >to put this in consideration. >words are just words. humans are more important than words.
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