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Subject: Re: More ECM Inconsistencies (#001 - #099)

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 04:30:35 01/22/98

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On January 22, 1998 at 05:04:43, Howard Exner wrote:

>On January 21, 1998 at 14:24:23, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am currently running the original ECM through "DarkThought"
>>with 90 sec per position. In addition to the inconsistencies
>>already pointed out by Amir, "DarkThought" begs to differ on
>>some more positions among the first 99 positions (even after
>>20 min analyses each).
>>
>>ECM #016
>>original solution  = [ Rxc5 ]
>>"DarkThought" says = [ dxe3 ] Rxd8+ Rxd8 Bb2 Qd6 ... is equally good
>>                              (score = +0.4 after iteration #13)

Right


>>ECM #031
>>original solution  = [ Nxd4 ]
>>"DarkThought" says = [ Rd6, Qd5, Qa6, h6, h5, Kh8 ] are equally good
>>                     (score = 0.8 after iteration #13)

Disagree. Nxd4 takes a pawn safely and simplifies into an endgame with a
pawn up. You are evaluating the position as already +1 for black but I
don't know if everyone will agree with that.


>>ECM #070
>>original solution  = [ e4 ]
>>"DarkThought" says = [ Rf3 ] Kh1 g5 d4 exd4 Re6 Qg7 ...
>>                             (score = +1 after iteration #13,
>>                              g5 directly seems to be a transposition)

I tend to disagree. e4 is positional, and the point is that it's
possible. It prepares a pawn storm through d5, g5 and eventually e3, but
white is not dead yet. Rf3 doesn't seem to do much.


>>ECM #075
>>original solution  = [ Nh6 ]
>>"DarkThought" says = [ Qh4, g6 ] are also good
>>                     (score = 1.2 after iteration #13)
>>

Nh6 takes a pawn and opens up things. I am not able to look so deep at
your alternatives, but seems to me that black keeps material balance and
holds with Rd7 for both.


>>ECM #099
>>original solution  = [ Qxd5 ]
>>"DarkThought" says = [ b4 ] Rb5 Qxd5 Be5 Qb3 Bc6 ... is equally good
>>                     (changes between both with scores around +0.3)
>>

b4 just delays things for one move. Sort of horizon effect. I'm OK with
adding it as a side solution.

>>What do others think about these alternatives?
>>
>>=Ernst=
>

Amir



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