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Subject: What you find out, WHEN you want to find out something...

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 15:49:35 12/22/00

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is sometimes different to the thesis you have in mind.
but - lets see here...

[d]2r1k2r/5pp1/4p3/ppqpP3/4bQPP/1B6/PPP2R1R/2K5 b k -

>a4 ! is very strong (1...a4 2.Qf7 Kd8 3. Qxg7 Qe3+ -+)  but Tiger (2 versions)
>doesn't see this move

>How do perform other engines here ?

ok -
i don't see why this is a selectivity problem.


first new paradigm:

Gandalf likes a4, from the first seconds, in the moment
giving +2.68 in search 11.
1...a4 2.Bc4 O-O 3.Bf1 a3 4.Qd2 axb2+ 5.Kxb2 Bxc2 6.Ka1

CSTal 2.03 prefers Rc7 too and needs to come into search
10 to see that 1...a4 is a "better" move.

d10, 131s, c8c7 c2c3 a5a4 b3c2 e4c2 c1c2 a4a3 f4f3 a3b2
d10, 318s, >+1.96 a5a4 f4f7
d10, 391s, +2.23 a5a4 f4f7 e8d8 f7g7 c5e3 c1d1 e4f3

now normal intelligent programs:

hiarcs7.32 says -1.12 against white for 1...a4 and wants
to play a4 very early. I have seen it preferring a4 after 15",
i am not sure if earlier, but unimportant IMO.
after 2'40" it increases this score to -1.37 in search 10/29
against white with 1...a4 Bxd5 main line.

diep:
finds a4 too after a while

stupid programs:

junior6a likes a4 too. no problem for it.
-1.22 against white after 26 seconds.

fritz6a wants to play Rc7 and arround 15" changes to a4.
later score says -1.47.


so we learn: the key move is not found via score, it is mainly
found by search.
ok - at least gandalf finds it too early comparing its NPS-rate,

the faster programs find the moves earlier. the slower ones
slower.


selectivity. hm. gambit-tiger gives a very high score for Rc7.
arround 1.8 pawns. i only waited until search 13...
3rd move in the main-line was : a4.

i am looking forward to christophes answer.

is tiger overseeing a4 due to a search-technique ?!

:-))




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