Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 08:01:23 01/01/01
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On January 01, 2001 at 08:22:15, Dragos Gabudeanu wrote: >On January 01, 2001 at 08:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On January 01, 2001 at 07:23:12, Lin Harper wrote: >> >>>On January 01, 2001 at 06:12:10, j rujkin wrote: >>> >>>>rebel is the first program to play a grandmaster in a real match. and rebel >>>>also needs to get 3/6 to get respect. and that's very very hard. >>> >>> Some time ago there was a poll where it was agreed playing strength >>> against humans is what matters most in a program. If this turns out >>> to be a victory for Rebel, it will get real respect, and translate >>> into sales. A good advertisement for the program. Good to see Ed >>> put his program on the line like this. >>> Of course, on the other hand, if Rebel fails......... >> >>It will still sale due to the fact that Chess Tiger 13.0 is included in the same >> package. If it wasn't fole Chess Tiger 13.0 who would buy a DOS program >>in the Millenium. Plus that fact that it is only 2525 in the SSDF. >> >>Pichard. > >I can't believe you still think Century 3.0 is 2525 "ELO" SSDF-style. I've long >took the SSDF results with a grain of salt. I used to say if program A is seven >points stronger than B, then that's the one to buy, since it's "stronger". Even >30 points difference is irrelevant. My hope for Ed is to have Rebel win the >match (preferably 4-2) to silence critics. There haven't been too many >programmers out there putting their program where their mouths are (Fritz, with >its 26xx "rating"). Shredder too, it seems to bark at the moon with no effect >(i.e. Millenium challenged Kasparov, quite zealously if I dare say, when it >could have challenged a lesser GM and proved itself). All I say is that hats >must come off for Ed. His sales ought to be good nevertheless, if not at least >for the fact that he puts up his own money and does not shy away from real >challenges. The fact that Century "languishes" behind programs such as Tiger, >Fritz, Nimzo, Shredder, etc., is lame. What leaves a more sour taste in my >mouth is all the hardware being bought by you guys (Athlon 1Ghz, 512 MB Ram, for >some retarded Windows ME [actually, the whole concept of Windows is a crime >...]) and all that is used for is program X vs. program Z games. I don't know >about you, but I'm more content on learning some new concept in chess than to >see silicon holding a pawn for dear life. And in case you're wondering, I have >most of the top products on the market (ChessBase [Fritz6a, Junior6, DEEP >Junior, Nimzo8, hiarcs7.32, Shredder4, Century, Tiger 12, CSTALII, etc.]). > >Happy New Year! > > Dragos > It is also a known fact that programs with good positional knowledge suffer the same fate when tested against other programs and ended not scoring that great in the SSDF. Deep Fritz was improved in positional understanding and with better endgame knowledge than the previous Fritz 6a, but just like Rebel it is suffering the same fate against Junior 6a. PS: As I mentioned before, there are two types of customers those who want a strong programs thzt play great against GM and those who simply want the best program from the SSDF. As the old saying you can't always have your cake and eat it too. Pichard.
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