Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:17:10 01/01/01
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On January 01, 2001 at 11:01:23, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On January 01, 2001 at 08:22:15, Dragos Gabudeanu wrote: > >>On January 01, 2001 at 08:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On January 01, 2001 at 07:23:12, Lin Harper wrote: >>> >>>>On January 01, 2001 at 06:12:10, j rujkin wrote: >>>> >>>>>rebel is the first program to play a grandmaster in a real match. and rebel >>>>>also needs to get 3/6 to get respect. and that's very very hard. >>>> >>>> Some time ago there was a poll where it was agreed playing strength >>>> against humans is what matters most in a program. If this turns out >>>> to be a victory for Rebel, it will get real respect, and translate >>>> into sales. A good advertisement for the program. Good to see Ed >>>> put his program on the line like this. >>>> Of course, on the other hand, if Rebel fails......... >>> >>>It will still sale due to the fact that Chess Tiger 13.0 is included in the same >>> package. If it wasn't fole Chess Tiger 13.0 who would buy a DOS program >>>in the Millenium. Plus that fact that it is only 2525 in the SSDF. >>> >>>Pichard. >> >>I can't believe you still think Century 3.0 is 2525 "ELO" SSDF-style. I've long >>took the SSDF results with a grain of salt. I used to say if program A is seven >>points stronger than B, then that's the one to buy, since it's "stronger". Even >>30 points difference is irrelevant. My hope for Ed is to have Rebel win the >>match (preferably 4-2) to silence critics. There haven't been too many >>programmers out there putting their program where their mouths are (Fritz, with >>its 26xx "rating"). Shredder too, it seems to bark at the moon with no effect >>(i.e. Millenium challenged Kasparov, quite zealously if I dare say, when it >>could have challenged a lesser GM and proved itself). All I say is that hats >>must come off for Ed. His sales ought to be good nevertheless, if not at least >>for the fact that he puts up his own money and does not shy away from real >>challenges. The fact that Century "languishes" behind programs such as Tiger, >>Fritz, Nimzo, Shredder, etc., is lame. What leaves a more sour taste in my >>mouth is all the hardware being bought by you guys (Athlon 1Ghz, 512 MB Ram, for >>some retarded Windows ME [actually, the whole concept of Windows is a crime >>...]) and all that is used for is program X vs. program Z games. I don't know >>about you, but I'm more content on learning some new concept in chess than to >>see silicon holding a pawn for dear life. And in case you're wondering, I have >>most of the top products on the market (ChessBase [Fritz6a, Junior6, DEEP >>Junior, Nimzo8, hiarcs7.32, Shredder4, Century, Tiger 12, CSTALII, etc.]). >> >>Happy New Year! >> >> Dragos >> >It is also a known fact that programs with good positional knowledge suffer the >same fate when tested against other programs and ended not scoring that great >in the SSDF. Deep Fritz was improved in positional understanding and with better >endgame knowledge than the previous Fritz 6a, but just like Rebel it is >suffering the same fate against Junior 6a. The number of games is too small. I know chessbase and I do not believe they could let ssdf to test Deep Fritz if they thought that it is not better than Fritz6a. 4 games is not enough. I expect Deep Fritz to win the match against Junior inspite the 3.5-.5 result for Junior6. I guess that the final result is going to be 21-19 for Deep fritz Uri
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