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Subject: Re: News about Alpha 21464 (EV8)

Author: Gregor Overney

Date: 16:27:49 01/22/01

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>>>why would you conclude that more instructions per cycle slows the cycle
>>>down?  Because the Intel does it?  Different animals.  Pentium = 64 bit
>>>bus.  Alpha=256.  With much higher memory bandwidth to boot..
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>Exactly, the Alpha instruction set was also designed for this.
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Why should the bandwith matter? It does not help you to cool your chip. BTW, I
thought the PIV is using more than 64bit for the internal bus, but I might be
wrong.

Why I think there is a link between how many instructions a CPU can handle per
clock cycle and its clock rate using a given process?

More instructions per cycle
 -> bigger branch mis-prediction penalty, unless you improve dramatically the
chip design. But the new chip-design that avoids mis-prediction's more
effectively requires more transistors per surface area (it is a more complex
design (or your chip size will increase -> needs more power to run it))
 -> produces a greater challenge to cool your chip (proportional to number of
transistors per surface area)
 -> forces you to switch manufacturing process or lower CPU cycle time (clock
rate). Here, I make the assumption that they are using a standard process and do
not switch to a new, untested process. I also assume that Compaq wants to ship
this thing before 2010. ....Of course, Compaq coud attempt to make
copper/gallium arsenide chips :-)

I am not debating that in the future someone will actually run 8 instructions on
a CPU running at 3GHz _and_ significantly improve performance. I just do not
believe that it can be done today. The 21464 is a marketing hype. I first want
to get my hands on a 21364, but the "best" workstation from Compaq runs only
with a 21264. Why? I could also buy the PIII before the PIV was on the market.
Or, an other example, I could also buy the USPARC II before USPARC III was
available. - The 21464 is a white paper. I am sure that Intel, IBM, Motorola,
TI, SUN, and others have similiar white papers to impress the community.

The 21164 was a good chip. The 21264 is a great step forward. We will see if
Compaq is able to continue what DEC was able to do. The 21364 sounds promising
and seems to be available to selected customers.

http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations/xp1000/index.html

Gregor




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