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Subject: Re: Have You seen this: quite unbelievable!

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 01:11:36 02/01/01

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On February 01, 2001 at 03:48:09, Uri Blass wrote:

Dear Uri,

>On February 01, 2001 at 02:20:33, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>
><snipped>
>>No, maybe I did not clearly explain what I meant. I said that a friend of mine,
>>testing the program regardless of the opening book, said that it was 100 points
>>better than Fritz 6a. So it was not the book making it stronger, but the engine
>>being stronger.
>
>My impression about the engine is different.
>
>I used ahredder5 for a long time to analyze positions from my correspondence
>games when I was in theory.
>If the engine is 100 elo better than I expect it to find good moves in the
>opening without opwning book.

I think that to expect PCs chess programs "to make theory" is wrong. The horizon
effect should create a lot of problems on this matter. it really depends on the
positions. In some program A should do better than program B and viceversa.

>
>I found that shredder suggested me a stupid sacrifice and only after many hours
>the score went down and it converge to the theory move Re1.
>
>Here is the opening in my correspondence game against yoav dothan(I am white)
>
>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Nc3

Even if this is probably the best move, I think for Shredder 5. Bd3 should be
better after some moves. I know that the program evaulation is better for Nc3,
but it is important the program position understanding after some moves...

Qc7 6.Be2 b5 7.0-0 Bb7
>
>I gave Shredder5 to analyze this position for a long time and it needed many
>hours to avoid the bad sacrifice 8.e5
>It changed it's mind to Re1 that is the theory move only after many hours.

This confirms what I said before. if the position is understood by the program
the program would find the correct moves easily.
>
>I analyzed 8.Re1 when there is an interesting line 8.Re1 b4 9.Nd5.
>I can also sacrifice a pawn by 9.Na4
>
>I did not get a clear consequence about the sacrifices and I decided after a
>long think to play 8.a3 and not to sacrifice a pawn or a knight(the game
>continued 8...Nf6 9.Qd3 d6 10.Bg5 and it is yoav to move).
>
>One of the reason that I decided not to sacrifice is the fact that my opponent
>does not have to accept and I assume in my correspondence games that my opponent
>will probably play the best move.

Yes, you are correct.
>
>It means that if I evaluate that b4 has 50% chance to win and 50% chance to lose
>my chances are smaller than 50% because I assume that my opponent will play b4
>with probability of more than 50% if it wins and will not play it with
>probability of more than 50% if it loses.

I agree, but what is best to play is also what will bring you to a position
which will suite your style or positions where you can play at your top strenght
and not only a general % score.
I understand this is not easy to explain and this is why one never stops to
learn...
>
>Uri

Sandro



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