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Subject: Re: Testposition - Totally Paralysed

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 15:11:42 03/02/01

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On March 02, 2001 at 17:51:12, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On March 02, 2001 at 14:39:10, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>  1k3b1q/pP2p1p1/P1K1P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>  Horwitz,B 1885
>>
>>  This one might prove as mission impossible. Black is totally paralysed
>>  from start and white is winning - but how?? Maybe more amusing for
>>  humans than for silicons. One could characterize black's position
>>  as slightly passive ;) but how could white make progress. Looks hard...
>>
>>  Test: Win it! Draw scores like 0.00 are not trusted...
>
>Nullmove seems not to be a good idea for this one - so I disabled nullmove in
>Yace. While Yace does some Zugzwang safeguards for nullmove, it seems, that the
>depth needed to find the solution with nullmoves turned on would be too high.
>
>I also get strange fail highs and fail lows. Perhaps one reason is, that I
>cannot detect stalemate inside quiescence search.
>
>Unfortunately the sad truth is, that after showing a positive score for white,
>it will fall back to zero again. Nevertheless, doing some moves on the board,
>and it will see the win, more or less like Uri described, including the sac of
>the b-pawn. No refutation can be found, after taking back moves.
>
>    329720   2.745   0.05 13t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Ke5
>                               Kc7 6.Ke4 Kb6 7.b8=Q+ Kxa6 {-80}
>    374756   3.048   0.05 13.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Ke5
>                               Kc7 6.Ke4 Kb6 7.b8=Q+ Kxa6 {-80}
>    384002   3.125   0.45 14++ 1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kd4
>                               Qg8 6.Bxg8 Kc7 7.b8=Q+ Kxb8 8.Kd5 {0}
>    527928   4.144   1.64 14t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qxf7 7.gxf7 g5 8.hxg6 {-190}
>    598849   4.624   1.64 14.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qxf7 7.gxf7 g5 8.hxg6 {-190}
>    713199   5.379   1.31 15t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qxf7 7.gxf7 g5 8.hxg6 h5 {-190}
>    732294   5.533   1.31 15.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qxf7 7.gxf7 g5 8.hxg6 h5 {-190}
>    918268   6.714   0.88 16-- 1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Ke5 Kc7 5.Kf5
>                               Qh8 6.Kf4 Qg8 7.Bf7 Qxf7+ 8.gxf7 Kb8 9.Kf5 Kc7H
>                               10.Kg6H {-270}
>   1087929   7.907   0.00 16t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Ke5 Kc7 5.Kf5
>                               Qh8 6.Kf4 Qg8 7.Bf7 Qh8 8.Be8 {-921}
>   1120061   8.144   0.00 16.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Ke5 Kc7 5.Kf5
>                               Qh8 6.Kf4 Qg8 7.Bf7 Qh8 8.Be8 {-921}
>   1201151   8.723   0.40 17++ 1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qxf7 5.gxf7
>                               g5 6.hxg6 h5 7.Ke5 Bh6 8.Kf5 h4 9.g7 Bxg7
>                               10.Ke4 {-270}
>   1666675  11.724   1.71 17t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qxf7 5.gxf7
>                               Kc7 6.Kc5 Kb8 7.Kc6 g5 8.hxg6 h5 9.Kd5 h4 {-190}
>   1849125  12.977   1.71 17.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qxf7 5.gxf7
>                               Kc7 6.Kc5 Kb8 7.Kc6 g5 8.hxg6 h5 9.Kd5 h4 {-190}
>   3203433  21.671   1.31 18-- 1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Ke4 Qxe6+ 5.Kf4
>                               Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb8 7.Kg3 Qxg6+ 8.Bxg6 e6 9.Bh7 Kc7
>                               10.b8=N {180}
>   5284937  34.607   1.73 18t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Kd8 Qg8 8.Ke8 Qh8 9.Kd7 Qg8
>                               10.Bxg8 {80}
>   5923411  38.917   1.73 18.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Kd8 Qg8 8.Ke8 Qh8 9.Kd7 Qg8
>                               10.Bxg8 {80}
>  10519658  1:09.6   1.73 19t  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Kd8 Qg8 8.Ke8 Qh8 9.Kd7 Qg8
>                               10.Bxg8 {80}
>  15398034  1:43.3   1.73 19.  1.Kd5 Kc7 2.Bb5 Qg8 3.Be8 Kb8 4.Bf7 Qh8 5.Kc6
>                               Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Kd8 Qg8 8.Ke8 Qh8 9.Kd7 Qg8
>                               10.Bxg8 {80}
>
>-- Dieter



1.Kd5 Qg8 2.Bb5 Kc7 3.Be8 Qh8 4.Bf7 Kb8 5.Kc6 Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Ke8 Kc7 8.b8Q+
Kxb8 9.Kd8 Ka8 10.Kc8 Qg8 11.Kc7 Qxf7 12.gxf7 g5 13.Kd8 g4 14.Ke8 Bg7 15.Kxe7 g3
16.f8Q+ Bxf8+ 17.Kxf8 g2 18.e7 g1Q 19.e8Q# 1-0  Puh...;)

Sune





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