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Subject: Re: Computer Chess Programs & Intelligence

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 23:13:13 03/14/01

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On March 15, 2001 at 00:42:03, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On March 14, 2001 at 16:14:02, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On March 14, 2001 at 12:11:41, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>
>>>Well, Bruce, your answer widens the scope of the debate. To begin with, the
>>>concept of intelligence as something proper of an entity capable of intelligent
>>>behaviour does not solve the problem as much intelligence as such is not clearly
>>>stated first. Sounds a little bit like a circular reasonning. Nevertheless I
>>
>>I consider that for these purposes, intelligence is the ability to provide good
>>solutions to the majority of problems inside a difficult and wide problem
>>domain.
>
>
>I can still see some circularity here in the definition of "good" in the context
>of your sentence.
>
>Am I just splitting hairs, or isn't it something that has to do with the
>basement of the problem?

I don't think it is circular.  There isn't a clear dividing line between what
problem is complex enough, and what competence is high enough, but that's not
necessarily fatal.  Perhaps this can be placed on a continuum and the problem
disappears.

So a system is more intelligent if it provides better solutions in wider
domains.

bruce

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>    Christophe
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>>A pocket calculator can provide good solutions across a wide problem domain, but
>>the domain is not difficult.
>>
>>I can't think of an example where a hard problem is solved through specific
>>coding, but I'm sure they exist.
>>
>>I think that a lot of things that are in the AI category are things that meet my
>>definition.  For example, speech recognition, military image processing,
>>advanced database searching, etc.
>>
>>All of these are difficult problems that require general solutions.
>>
>>bruce
>>
>>>concur with the sheer fact that all this is a matter of behaviour in certain
>>>frames of reference. Probably a way to approach the problem is, then, to reject
>>>from the beginning the idea of intelligence as some sustantive, specific entity
>>>we can define in a sentence. Maybe it is more like a cluster of certain
>>>behavioral abilities in different levels and empirical ocasions. In that case
>>>even such a mechanical thing as to remember is fundamental. And certainly the
>>>capacity to calculate accurately inside a system of rules is, as well, a kind of
>>>intelligence. And the highest one would be the creative endeavour of the so
>>>called genuses that change the entire frame of rererence. If this is so, then,
>>>yes, we could say program show intelligence in some level.
>>>Cheers
>>>Fernando



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