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Subject: Re: IBM would risk 37 billion dollar

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:41:34 04/02/01

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On April 02, 2001 at 12:02:11, Uri Blass wrote:

>
>1)I think that weak players are in no position to say that they could play
>better than kasparov.
>
>I suspect that part of the moves that are considered to be positional mistakes
>are no mistakes because kasparov saw more than the humans who analyzed the
>games.

I don't see why everyone overlooks this point.  DB was a non-trivial opponent
and was seeing a _lot_ tactically.  To claim to be able to beat it "chanceless"
is a wild stretch since Kasparov himself couldn't do that, yet he smashes
human opposition every tournament he enters.  IE I see _nothing_ to convince
me that Kramnik would do better against DB (or any other program he plays) than
what Kasparov would do.


>
>I will trust more the top programs and when I finish my correspondence
>tournament I may give the top programs of today to analyze the positions of
>kasparov-deeper blue for many hours in order to find mistakes in the games.
>
>
>2)I do not think that kasparov had special problems against computers before
>1997.
>Kasparov beated Deep thought easily when karpov had to work hard in order to win
>against deep thought and he did it only thanks to a mistake of deep thought in a
>drawn rook endgame.

Karpov was a unique problem for computers.. because his "normal" playing
style was closer to "anti-computer" than any other GM I can think of.  Yes,
he could play wild tactical games if he wanted, but he generally didn't.  I
don't think that when he played DT he was "in his prime" which has a lot to
do with how a human handles a computer.  It is mentally challenging to be so
careful to avoid the tiniest tactical mistake...


>
>I also remember that kasparov won together with Fritz3(p90) in a blitz
>tournament and later won Fritz3 in a match by lines like 1.e3
>Kasparov lost against Genius3(p90) 1.5:.5 at 25 minutes per game but later won
>the same program on faster hardware 1.5:.5 at the same time control.
>
>I believe that Kasparov may have better chances today mainly because of the fact
>that he learned to play better thanks to training with computers.
>
>Uri


Very possibly true.  He obviously is not "over the hill" by any measure I can
think of...



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