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Subject: Re: Fritz in Zugzwang...and funny tablebase handling?

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 07:44:44 04/17/01

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On April 17, 2001 at 01:43:58, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 17, 2001 at 01:39:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 17, 2001 at 01:07:08, John Hatcher wrote:
>>
>>>On April 17, 2001 at 00:58:23, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:

>>>>[D] 4k3/3R4/6p1/4K1P1/6P1/8/8/8 w - - 0 78
>>>>
>>>>Very interesting, I could not see the reason why Tiger did not play Ke6 here.
>>>>The funniest thing is that Fritz 6 thinks that this is the strongest too.
>>>>Nalimov tablebases enabled for both of them (all 3-4-5 men from the WM-Paket 4
>>>>Cds Nalimov collection, installed to a separate partition of the hard disk).
>>>>
>>>>78.Kf6 Kxd7 79.Kxg6 Ke6 80.Kh6 Ke5 81.g6 Ke6 82.g7
>>>>Kf7 83.Kh7 Kf6 84.g8Q Ke5 85.Qd8 Ke4 86.g5 Ke3 87.g6 Ke2 88.g7 Ke1 89.g8Q Ke2
>>>>90.Qg2+ Ke1
>>>>91.Qdd2# 1-0
>>>>
>>>>Not the way a GM or a strong human player would mate Fritz...
>>>>
>>>>A. Ponti
>>>
>>>Well, this is just one man's opinion, but I would play 78. Kf6 without giving it
>>>much thought.  It's simple, it's sure, and an elementary win can be calculated
>>>(by a human) in a few seconds.  The simpler, the cleaner, the better.
>>>
>>>The humble opinion of a 2116 rated Expert.
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>The simplest way to win is the following:
>>1.Ke6 Kf8 2.Re7 Kg8 3.Rf7 Kh8 4.Kf6 Kg8 5.Kxg6 Kh8 6.Rf8#
>>
>>Uri
>
>I can add that this is not the fastest way to mate.
>
>The fastest way to mate and 2.Kf6 Kg8 3.Rd3 Kh7 4.Kf7 Kh8 Rh3# is faster

Well, ther are several ways to achieve that.  Here is the complete tree
for solving for shartest mate (computed by Chest):

 Ke6 Kf8 Kf6 Kg8 Ra7  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Ra8#
                      Kf8 Ra8#
                 Rb7  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Rb8#
                      Kf8 Rb8#
                 Rc7  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Rc8#
                      Kf8 Rc8#
                 Rd1  Kh7 Kf7  Kh8 Rh1#
                      Kh8 Kf7  Kh7 Rh1#
                          Kxg6 Kg8 Rd8#
                      Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd2  Kh7 Kf7  Kh8 Rh2#
                      Kh8 Kf7  Kh7 Rh2#
                          Kxg6 Kg8 Rd8#
                      Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd3  Kh7 Kf7  Kh8 Rh3#
                      Kh8 Kf7  Kh7 Rh3#
                          Kxg6 Kg8 Rd8#
                      Kf8 Rd8#
             Ke8 Rd1  Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd2  Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd3  Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd4  Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd5  Kf8 Rd8#
                 Rd6  Kf8 Rd8#
         Ra7 Kg8 Kf6  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Ra8#
                      Kf8 Ra8#
             Ke8 Ra8#
         Rb7 Kg8 Kf6  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Rb8#
                      Kf8 Rb8#
             Ke8 Rb8#
         Rc7 Kg8 Kf6  Kh8 Kxg6 Kg8 Rc8#
                      Kf8 Rc8#
             Ke8 Rc8#

Heiner



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