Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:45:58 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 11:45:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 19, 2001 at 05:22:46, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On April 18, 2001 at 20:26:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 18, 2001 at 18:11:28, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 17, 2001 at 15:12:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:54:59, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:40:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 10:25:33, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 09:57:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Supposed _I_ set up a tournament to choose the program to play? And then >>>>>>>>>suppose _I_ said "if you want in, send me $50,000 to enter your program."?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Would you enter even if you _knew_ Rebel xx was the best in the world? And >>>>>>>>>risk that kind of money to get in knowing that one game can be lost due to a >>>>>>>>>bad book line or bug? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Charging an entry fee is a bit of a joke, IMHO. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It means the deeper your pockets, the better your chances... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, at least there's a refund for those that don't make it :-). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Seriously, can anyone blaim SMK for not handing over $5000 and Shredder to a >>>>>>>>third party for this socalled qualifier? I think not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mogens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's try a different approach. Let _me_ handle the qualification tournament. >>>>>>>Here are my rules: >>>>>> >>>>>>Making posts as above "is a bit of a joke, IMHO" since you clearly hadn't >>>>>>even bothered reading the current rules well enough to know the $5,000.00 >>>>>>was refunded to losing programs. >>>>> >>>>>What makes you conclude that? I can read perfectly well. But I would not >>>>>send $5,000.00 in no matter what, because I try to spend my money more wisely >>>>>than that. >>>> >>>> >>>>You wrote "risk that kind of money" as in if the program lost the money >>>>was forfeit. That wasn't the case as already posted by Bertil. >>>>No you change that to sending the money in.. >>> >>>Do you get it back under _any_ circumstance? No. So you pay it and take >>>a chance on getting it back. That is the classic definition of "risk" in >>>my Webster's... Since there is a circumstance where I won't get it back. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Any publicly released chess program can enter. Including patches. So Rebel >>>>>>>could enter 2 programs since Ed has (I think) released the original rebel plus >>>>>>>a patch this year. I get to enter all 19 released versions of Crafty. If those >>>>>>>are the only two entries, care to bet who is going to win? Statistically one >>>>>>>of my 19 versions will win even if all are worse than either of Ed's two >>>>>>>versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is what has happened if you include Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz, and Deep >>>>>>>Junior. A trivia question: Which chess distributor has the best chance of >>>>>>>winning that event? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is called "stacking the deck in your favor." >>>>>> >>>>>>Hogwash. Tell that to Amir Ban. In your case above tell me that Amir >>>>>>wouldn't want to win as much as Stefan and that his odds of doing so >>>>>>are greater due to your "stacking the deck in your favor." theory. >>>>> >>>>>No. But the "distributor" certainly has a big interest in having one of >>>>>"Its" engines as the competitor. So it is not "hogwash" at all. It is >>>>>plain marketing, front-to-back... >>>> >>>> >>>>The distributor does yes. But how does the distributor stck the deck >>>>when the choices are made by two independant people? >>> >>>By having _two_ of his programs in the contest to _one_ from the opponents... >>> >>>Two programs have a greater probability of winning than one. >>> >>>IE we simply play 'high card wins'. But I get two cards each time and you >>>get one. Who wins the most? >> >>Hi! >> >>And you are sure that Chessbase is the distributor of Junior7 (X)? >> >>Bertil > >Probably. They do not have their own interface so they have little >chance of selling otherwise. > >I do not know what Weiner offers but i do not even want to know it, >it's going to be very little probably. > >What chessbase offers is a peanut of course. You can only get great programs >when programmers can fulltime work at it. Programmers earn when >working in a company around 50k$ to 100k$ if living in USA >a year if they're good. To make a chess >program strong you are a good programmer anyway, very little people can >make a chessprogram anyway. > >When Friedel talked about diep as engine under chessbase (that's >quite some time ago so i do not know whether they pay more nowadays, >but as far as i heart not a penny more) he was talking about 5000 or 10000 >dmark, about 4000 us$ today (dollar is high now). > >Considering the thousands of hours work that are put in an engine on >average, that's like 1 us$ an hour. 1$ for hour is better than nothing. Most programmers earn 0$ per hour so they do not develop chess programs in order to earn money. If they can earn money it is only a bonus. Uri > >So from that i can't even internet as i pay a dollar an hour for >internet already. > >I'm not sure how many countries there are on this world where a >programmer earns 1us$ an hour. Add to that that the sales of an engine >are probably (my own estimate) like 1/100 of what fritz sells >as it's so easy to copy a few unprotected .dll and .eng files The main reason for the fact that the sales of Fritz are bigger than sales of other programs like Nimzo is simply the fact that Fritz is better. I do not believe that 99% of the potential buyers of programs copy them. Uri
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