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Subject: Re: Concept---why diminishing returns may not occur prior to endgame phase

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:34:38 04/28/01

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On April 28, 2001 at 03:29:46, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 28, 2001 at 02:08:00, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>
>>On April 28, 2001 at 01:52:01, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>This may indicate, for example, that there are relatively as many win, loss &
>>>draw nodes, generally speaking, at each fixed ply depth, no matter how many
>>>plies are calculated--even if those results are not precisely calculatable by
>>>the program!  Therefore the program that calculates x plies more than its
>>>opponent will have approx the same increased chances to steer toward the >winning lines.  [I hope you can understand the concept I am trying to >communicate.]
>>
>>I mean that the general percentage of calculated win nodes, arrived at by
>>calculating to a fixed N+X depth, which are *not* seen by calculating only to N
>>depth, may be approximately the same no matter what N is.  At least during the
>>opening & middle games.
>
>I do not believe that it is so simple.
>
>I believe that there are positions when program A understands better than
>program B and if program A is lucky to get them then 10 plies may win against 15
>plies but 5 plies does not win against 10 plies because 5 plies does tactical
>mistakes that are decisive.
>
>There are mistakes when some programs may do even at depth 15 when other
>programs may avoid them at depth 10.
>
>I expect to see more wins for the weaker side at higher depthes because of this
>reason.
>
>Unfortunately the depths that I played are not big enough and doing a match at
>depth 10 against depth 15 may take a long time and I expect average of at least
>some hours per game even after upgrading my hardware.

I can add that my tests were only 3 against 8 plies and I even did not test 5
against 10 plies.

I did today one of the 3 plies against 9 plies and I got the first 50-0 result

Deep Fritz(depth 9)-Tiger14(depth 3) 50-0

Uri



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