Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 15:14:20 05/04/01
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On May 04, 2001 at 15:02:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 03, 2001 at 11:10:51, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On May 03, 2001 at 10:45:45, Mogens Larsen wrote: >> >>>On May 03, 2001 at 06:37:52, Larry Proffer wrote: >>> >>>>>The so called impartial experts should recommend the "best" programs not all >>>>>programs in the world that in theory can be better. In April I believed that it >>>>>was Fritz, Junior, Shredder and Tiger(s) (alphabtical order). I don't believe it >>>>>is a coincidence that the best programs ARE commercial. >>>> >>>>But this was not a pre-condition as suggested elsewhere by others .... >>> >>>That one was killed a long time ago IIRC, by various reports from the involved >>>parties. The only requirements stated then and since was the SMP capability and >>>naturally significant (superior) strength of the engines involved. Of course you >>>can choose to invent interests of the sponsors and the obviousness of the >>>superior strength of commercial programs. Some have tried that without much >>>success IMO. >>> >>>The real problem is the experts opinion of the strength and availability issue. >>>Forming an opinion on the strongest programs without even a rudimentary >>>investigation is nonsensical by default. AFAIK you do not develop psychic >>>abilities after being involved with computer chess for 25 years. The organizers >>>would have a real explanatory problem if they included the SMP Tiger. >> >> >>It wasn't time to play around and invite 200 programs. Instead you can check the >>results from the SSDF-list, tournaments from a lot of people and so on. >>Therefore it is quite easy to see that the four best (comp-comp) programs are >>Fritz, Junior, Shredder and Tiger(s). Of course you can suggest 100 other ways >>to check the strength, if you had all the money and all the time in the world. >> >>Which programs are better then the above? Give me five, so can we see how many >>that agrees with you. > > >That is simply _wrong_. SSDF doesn't test with SMP hardware, so using the >SSDF list to choose the best SMP programs is meaningless. > >As far as programs better than the above, how about Crafty on a 64 cpu Alpha >system? > >Or ferret since he can almost use that hardware (it would take some changes but >not a rewrite). > >You are using a tiddly-winks rating list to choose who is going to a >discus-throw event. The best indicator would be the last WCCC tournament >which had SMP and non-SMP programs in it. > >Rather than logic, we get this nonsense... Ok! Give me these five programs that are better then the above mentioned. Of course the above programs can't use 2-4 or 8 cpus, it is just a gimmick from the programmers. I have seen some tests from these programs that "fooled" me to believe that they could use multi-processors. Ok, Crafty, Ferret and a few others are better with multi-cpus but Fritz, Junior and Shredder are still the same as with one cpu. Bertil
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