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Subject: Re: Interesting, But Do These Results Tell The Whole Story?

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 17:56:36 05/12/01

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On May 12, 2001 at 03:55:09, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 11, 2001 at 22:25:07, Steve wrote:
>
>>Thank you for posting these very interesting results.  But I wonder if these
>>kinds of tests truly measure how well a program analyzes.  I own Hiarcs 7.32,
>>and if you give Hiarcs 2 minutes to analyze a position and Program X 2 minutes
>>to analyze a position, Program X may do better.  But in actual game analysis,
>>the fact that Hiarcs analyzes backwards (like all ChessBase products) and stores
>>hash tables between moves may produce game analysis of much higher quality than
>>Program X, if Program X has neither of those features.
>
>I doubt it.
>Hiarcs has a bug in retaining hash tables and I saw cases when Hiarcs cannot see
>things when it analyze backwards when it can see them without analyzing backward
>because it learn wrong information from hash tables.
>
>This wrong learning is also a problem in games and I saw cases when Hiarcs
>had not enough time to solve a fail low in games because of the bug of retaining
>hash tables(It can solve it after enough time but practically it has not enough
>time)
>
>This 'enough time' can be hours if you play games at slow time control like 4
>hours/40 moves.
>
>It seems that the programmer of Hiarcs only tested it in blitz so he missed bugs
>at long time control.
>
>Uri

These results also make Chesstiger 2 look as weak as an amatuer program, or some
very old outdated program.
Why is this? That, for me is a much bigger question!
S.Taylor



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