Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 00:20:36 05/22/01
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On May 22, 2001 at 02:24:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>On May 21, 2001 at 23:11:25, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 2001 at 17:11:28, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>The ultimate match - the newest Bringer version by Gerrit Reubold (
>>>http://www.reubold.onlinehome.de)
>>>on some new fast Athlon toy ( which has spent most of the last week in the
>>>computer shop being repaired
>>>but now seems to be ready for action at last)
>>>
>>>against Chess Tiger 14.1 for the Palm Vx - overclocked it runs at :
>>>
>>>Opening: 295 NPS
>>>Middlegame: 442 NPS
>>>Endgame: 560 NPS
>>>
>>>Timer frequency: 100 Hz
>>>
>>>This really is a thrilling little thingy - dunno how strong but it's _so_ "nice"
>>>and tiny ...
>>>
>>>First game showed the Tiger far away from the ELO 2200 it claims to have playing
>>>like some patzer IMHO - then came the
>>>second game .
>>>
>>>Well , after a good opening by the Tiger this one showed a very well-known
>>>weakness of Bringer - a slight misunderstanding
>>>when it is about bad bishops - when there is no pawn lever left and you can't
>>>enter the
>>>opponent's camp you shouldn't be too confident to be able to take advantage of
>>>the situation.
>>>
>>>Bringer running on an Athlon 1333 was very close to be the first victim of some
>>>dirty jokes here against
>>>the Palm Tiger which was at about the same size as the Bringer's mouse ..
>>>
>>>Fortunately the Cretan snake goddess who recently entered the Bringer team by
>>>courtesy of Arturo Ochoa helped out :
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger 14.1 for the Palm blundered horribly in a dead drawn position with
>>>42. ... Kd8 ????
>>>
>>>So Bringer won with 2-0 as expected - yet a funny feeling remains ...
>>>
>>>pete
>>>
>>>[Event "Game in 30"]
>>>[Site "Testgames"]
>>>[Date "2001.05.21"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Palm Tiger 14.1"]
>>>[Black "Bringer1.9ß02"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 Nf6 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } 2. c4 e6 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } 3. Nc3
>>>Bb4 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } 4. e3 c5 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } 5. a3 Bxc3+ { 0.00
>>>0:00:00.0 }
>>>6. bxc3 d6 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } 7. dxc5 dxc5 { 0.00/13 0:01:04.9 }
>>>8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 { 0.00/1 0:00:00.0 } 9. a4 Ke7 { 0.23/13 0:00:34.3 }
>>>10. a5 Rd8 { 0.31/14 0:00:39.2 } 11. f3 Rd6 { 0.59/13 0:00:47.9 }
>>>12. e4 Ra6 { 0.94/13 0:00:36.9 } 13. Be3 Nfd7 { 1.10/15 0:01:26.3 }
>>>14. g3 Nc6 { 1.25/14 0:00:33.2 } 15. f4 b6 { 1.24/13 0:00:39.0 (PB:
>>>0:00:38.9 ) }
>>>16. Nf3 Nxa5 { 1.51/14 0:02:00.4 (PB: 0:02:00.3 ) } 17. Bd3
>>>Nxc4 { 2.06/15 0:00:27.4 } 18. Ke2 Rxa1 { 2.12/15 0:00:28.2 }
>>>19. Rxa1 Nxe3 { 2.15/14 0:00:25.7 (PB: 0:00:25.6 ) } 20. Kxe3
>>>a5 { 2.16/13 0:00:25.3 (PB: 0:00:25.2 ) } 21. e5 h6 { 2.22/13 0:01:14.9 (PB:
>>>0:01:14.8 ) }
>>>22. Be4 Ra7 { 2.25/13 0:01:39.1 } 23. Bc6 Nb8 { 2.37/14 0:00:34.3 }
>>>24. Bb5 Bd7 { 2.47/14 0:00:23.6 } 25. Rb1 Bxb5 { 2.92/16 0:00:24.4 }
>>>26. Rxb5 Nd7 { 2.74/14 0:00:21.8 (PB: 0:00:21.7 ) } 27. Rb3
>>>a4 { 3.29/16 0:00:35.8 } 28. Ra3 b5 { 3.27/15 0:00:44.7 (PB: 0:00:10.2 ) }
>>>29. Kd3 b4 { 3.35/15 0:00:29.6 } 30. cxb4 cxb4 { 3.51/14 0:00:56.6 (PB:
>>>0:00:08.9 ) }
>>>31. Ra1 Rc7 { 3.52/14 0:01:35.9 (PB: 0:01:35.8 ) } 32. Nd4
>>>Nc5+ { 3.87/13 0:00:24.1 } 33. Ke3 b3 { 4.27/14 0:00:22.2 }
>>>34. Rb1 a3 { 5.52/14 0:00:22.0 } 35. Nxb3 Rb7 { 5.53/13 0:00:26.4 (PB:
>>>0:00:26.3 ) }
>>>36. Ra1 Rxb3+ { 5.55/13 0:00:40.4 (PB: 0:00:40.4 ) } 37. Kd4
>>>Nb7 { 5.47/12 0:00:20.5 (PB: 0:00:20.4 ) } 38. Ra2 Rb4+ { 5.66/11 0:00:34.1 }
>>>39. Kc3 Ra4 { 5.71/12 0:00:28.2 (PB: 0:00:28.1 ) } 40. Kb3
>>>Nc5+ { 5.74/12 0:00:31.7 } 41. Kc3 f5 { 5.88/11 0:00:24.2 }
>>>42. Ra1 g5 { 6.20/11 0:00:23.1 } 43. fxg5 hxg5 { 6.87/11 0:00:17.8 }
>>>44. Ra2 f4 { 7.10/12 0:00:25.2 } 45. gxf4 gxf4 { 7.61/12 0:00:18.2 (PB:
>>>0:00:07.7 ) }
>>>46. h4 f3 { 9.82/12 0:00:31.3 } 47. h5 f2 { 11.67/10 0:00:17.1 }
>>>48. Ra1 Re4 { 12.56/10 0:00:16.2 (PB: 0:00:16.2 ) } 49. Rf1
>>>a2 { 18.70/11 0:00:48.8 (PB: 0:00:48.8 ) } 50. Ra1 Re1 { Matt in 9/10
>>>0:00:39.1 }
>>>51. Rxa2 f1=Q { Matt in 9/1 0:00:08.6 (PB: 0:00:08.6 ) } 52. Ra7+
>>>Ke8 { Matt in 9/1 0:00:26.8 (PB: 0:00:26.8 ) } 53. Ra8+ Kd7 { Matt in 9/1
>>>0:00:23.9 (PB: 0:00:23.8 ) }
>>>54. Ra7+ Kc6 { Matt in 9/1 0:00:29.6 (PB: 0:00:29.5 ) } 55. Rd7
>>>Kxd7 { Matt in 8/1 0:00:00.0 } 56. Kb4 Rb1+ { Matt in 8/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>57. Kxc5 Qd3 { Matt in 7/1 0:00:00.0 } 58. h6 Rb5+ { Matt in 1/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>
>>>0-1
>>>
>>>[Event "Game in 30"]
>>>[Site "Testgames"]
>>>[Date "2001.05.21"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Bringer1.9ß02"]
>>>[Black "Palm Tiger 14.1"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } d5 2. c4 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } e6 3. Nc3 { 0.00
>>>0:00:00.0 }
>>>Nf6 4. Bg5 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } Be7 5. e3 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>O-O 6. Nf3 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } Nbd7 7. Bd3 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>c5 8. O-O { 0.20/12 0:00:47.2 } dxc4 9. Bxc4 { 0.24/12 0:00:39.6 }
>>>a6 10. a4 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } cxd4 11. exd4 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Nb6 12. Bb3 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } Bd7 13. a5 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Nbd5 14. Bxd5 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } Nxd5 15. Nxd5 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>exd5 16. Bxe7 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 } Qxe7 17. Re1 { 0.00 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Qb4 18. Qd2 { 0.17/13 0:00:40.4 } Qxd2 19. Nxd2 { 0.15/14 0:00:55.5 (PB:
>>>0:00:55.5 ) }
>>>Rfe8 20. Nb3 { 0.21/15 0:00:39.8 } Rac8 21. Nc5 { 0.31/15 0:00:51.8 }
>>>Bc6 22. f4 { 0.34/14 0:01:07.8 (PB: 0:00:07.8 ) } f6 23. Rxe8+ { 0.36/15
>>>0:00:39.2 }
>>>Rxe8 24. Kf2 { 0.35/15 0:00:55.8 (PB: 0:00:55.8 ) } Kf7 25. b4 { 0.37/14
>>>0:00:47.0 (PB: 0:00:47.0 ) }
>>>Re7 26. Rc1 { 0.41/14 0:00:29.8 } Kg6 27. g4 { 0.42/14 0:00:48.3 }
>>>h5 28. h3 { 0.37/14 0:00:27.7 } Bb5 29. Re1 { 0.42/14 0:00:30.8 }
>>>Rxe1 30. Kxe1 { 0.41/14 0:00:18.1 } hxg4 31. hxg4 { 0.39/15 0:00:30.0 }
>>>Bc6 32. Ke2 { 0.34/14 0:00:47.0 (PB: 0:00:19.7 ) } f5 33. g5 { 0.48/15
>>>0:00:32.5 }
>>>Kf7 34. Kd2 { 0.47/16 0:00:26.4 (PB: 0:00:08.2 ) } Ke7 35. Kd3 { 0.41/16
>>>0:00:37.3 }
>>>g6 36. Ke2 { 0.33/17 0:00:38.3 } Kd6 37. Kd2 { 0.31/17 0:00:38.1 }
>>>Ke7 38. Nd3 { 0.30/16 0:00:39.4 } Kd6 39. Ne5 { 0.30/17 0:00:33.6 }
>>>Be8 40. Kc2 { 0.30/16 0:00:46.8 (PB: 0:00:46.8 ) } Kc7 41. Kc3 { 0.29/17
>>>0:00:42.8 (PB: 0:00:42.8 ) }
>>>b6 42. Kb3 { 0.29/16 0:00:26.2 (PB: 0:00:26.1 ) } Kd8 43. axb6 { 1.84/17
>>>0:00:35.8 }
>>>Kc8 44. b5 { 1.79/18 0:01:50.5 (PB: 0:01:50.4 ) } Kb7 45. Kb4 { 2.72/17
>>>0:00:57.0 (PB: 0:00:56.9 ) }
>>>Kxb6 46. bxa6 { 4.20/17 0:00:19.9 } Kxa6 47. Kc5 { 4.95/16 0:00:17.4 (PB:
>>>0:00:17.3 ) }
>>>Ka5 48. Kxd5 { 8.09/17 0:03:06.9 (PB: 0:03:06.8 ) } Kb6 49. Ke6 { 9.72/15
>>>0:01:17.5 }
>>>Kc7 50. d5 { 11.60/15 0:01:19.6 } Kd8 51. Nc6+ { 12.15/15 0:00:20.2 }
>>>Kc7 52. Ke7 { 11.75/16 0:00:16.7 } Bxc6 53. dxc6 { Matt in 22/13 0:00:06.8 }
>>>Kxc6 54. Kf7 { Matt in 22/1 0:00:11.4 (PB: 0:00:11.3 ) } Kd5
>>>55. Kxg6 { Matt in 15/1 0:00:00.1 } Ke4 56. Kf6 { Matt in 13/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Kxf4 57. g6 { Matt in 12/1 0:00:00.0 } Ke4 58. g7 { Matt in 11/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>f4 59. g8=Q { Matt in 10/1 0:00:00.1 } f3 60. Qg4+ { Matt in 9/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Ke3 61. Ke5 { Matt in 8/1 0:00:00.1 } Ke2 62. Kd4 { Matt in 6/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>Kf2 63. Kd3 { Matt in 4/1 0:00:00.1 } Kf1 64. Ke3 { Matt in 3/1 0:00:00.0 }
>>>f2 65. Kd3 { Matt in 2/1 0:00:00.0 } Ke1 66. Qe2+ { Matt in 1/1 0:00:00.1 }
>>>
>>>1-0
>>
>>
>>
>>OK, fine.
>>
>>So I see that the lastest fashion is to pit Tiger for Palm against the first
>>program you can grab, preferably with a 300 to 900 times hardware speed
>>handicap? :)
>>
>>Your athlon 1333 is approximately 900 times faster than your overclocked Palm.
>>
>>What's next? Drop the Athlon box on the Palm to see if it can stand the shock?
>>:) :) :)
>
>The software is also important and not only the hardware.
>I believe that 300-900 times hardware speed handicap is not enough if tiger play
>against the right program that is weak enough and I believe that tiger on the
>palm will have no problem to beat programs like Nero and that it can even beat
>Tscp.
>
>I guess that games against Faile may be interesting and it is not clear who is
>going to win.
>
>This is only a guess and I do not have the palm to test tiger for the palm.
Yes, you are right. On the other hand I think that letting Tiger for Palm play
against portable dedicated computer makes more sense. So people can decide if
the Palm is an interesting computer for chess or not...
On the other hand, if Tiger for Palm had won one of the games played by Peter,
it is true that it would have been a sensation. :)
Christophe
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