Author: Rajen Gupta
Date: 13:18:29 05/30/01
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On May 30, 2001 at 06:10:04, Jason Williamson wrote: >On May 30, 2001 at 04:41:06, william penn wrote: > >>On May 30, 2001 at 04:25:28, Mogens Larsen wrote: >> >>>On May 30, 2001 at 02:57:04, william penn wrote: >>> >>>> I Would agree with you Christophe if your opponent was century3, or junior6, >>>>or even say Shredder5, but CM8000, HAS a losing record, not only in the ssdf, >>>>but in tournament play. Look at the recent cct3 results, a top program just >>>>would do better then this, if infact it is a top program. >>> >>>Chessmaster didn't participate in CCT-3, so I fail to see the point of your >>>reasoning. >>> >>>>I PREDICT THE FINAL >>>>SCORE WILL BE SIMILIAR IF NOT IDENTICAL TO THE DEEP FRITZ CM8000 MATCH. I Wish >>>>everyone would just admit the truth, CM8000 IS Simply weaker then it's >>>>predessor, this happened also with mchess7 and mchess8, although the difference >>>>between them was not as great as between cm8000 and cm6000. >>> >>>CM8000 might be weaker or even significantly weaker than CM6000. For that >>>matter, it could just as well be stronger. Without results noone knows, which >>>have been mentioned quite a few times by now. However, you can't make any such >>>conclusions based on the results of CM8000 alone. As a matter of fact, the lack >>>of an updated opening book, learning and tablebases are significant >>>disadvantages in this day and age. And it guarantees an absolute loss to all >>>semi-recent engines given the SSDF match format IMO. That would most likely >>>apply to CM6000 as well. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mogens >> >> Well Chessmaster 6000 doesn't have all the learning features and book as well, >>yet it placed number 1 on ssdf, so i fail to see your reasoning. Anyway i >>thought the book and learning, ect, are part of the program? If Cm8000 lacks >>those things , then that's part of its weakness. i think Cm 6000 participated in >>a one tournament of note recently and it took third place, a very good result >>for such an old program. > >Which tournament? > >It placed 1st on teh SDDF several years ago...we are talking 1998 if memory >serves me. In that time: Fritz learnt how to use tablebases, Junior did too, >Fritz's opening book was updated. So was Junior, hey look at that so was Tiger! > Wait a second didn't tiger come out after 1998? HMMMM! Well, gee! Also, how >many games did CM6000 play to get first on this list? THE MINIMUM? HMMMM! In >otherwords, CM6000 MAY have been the strongest engine for the BRIEF moment that >it was at the top of the SDDF list, it was QUICKLY passed by the other engines >for the very same flaws that make CM8000 weaker then these updated versions of >the commercials. > >Opening book, lack of learning, lack of tablebase support. > >In any event, IMO the addition of Winboard engine support to the CM gui made it >worth every penny. And CM8000 is STILL the least expensive chess program you >can buy. > >I look forward to CM9000 and its updated opening book....hope they get learning >into the program too. And UCI support as well, hey while we are at it, how >about tablebases and auto232! :) > >JW hi: i too look forward to the chessmaster9000. perhaps playing on an athlon1200 it may provide some competition to the old programmes of yore on a p90-or to be absolutely certain get it to play against the 486.i predict a tough match rajen
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