Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:29:59 06/06/01
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On June 06, 2001 at 11:13:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 06, 2001 at 07:26:28, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 06, 2001 at 06:58:28, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> >>>...is that Fritz played the Dutch open just last year, on a quad, >>>and it didn't win, it didn't even got second. It got _third_, and >>>this while several players forfeited vs it in protest. >>> >>>We're only one year of development further now, and the hardware >>>will be twice as fast, *no more*. Not even a ply more for Fritzie. >>> >>>The Dutch are pretty ok as far as chess is concerned, but it's >>>not like they have any players that are remotely as strong as >>>Kramnik. >>> >>>It was not in the top 2 of Dutch players, and now it is supposed >>>to stand a chance vs. the World Champion? Uhh, well maybe if he >>>gets sick or crazy or something. >> >>It is clear that Deep Fritz has no chance against Kramnik. >> >>Nobody expects Fritz to win. >> >>I guess that most people are not going to bet that Fritz is going to beat >>Kramnik even if they can earn 100$ for winning and lose 1$ for losing. >> >>Fritz is public and it is unfair. >> >>A secret program when Kramnik know nothing about it may have chances but noy >>Fritz. >> >>Deeper blue was a secret program when kasparov knew nothing about it. >>Deep Fritz is not close to be a secret program. > >Kasparov didn't "know nothing" about it. DB Jr had played many exhibition >matches. DB Jr is not known to be something close to Deeper blue so I doubt if using Deep blue JR games could help kasparov. I also know that DB jr played games that were not tournament time control but something like active chess so I doubt if kasparov could learn much about deeper blue weaknesses. I remember that adams could win Deep Junior at blitz when he prepared against it but when he tried the same opening at 2 hours/40 moves Deep Junior played better and adams could get only a draw. Uri Kasparov's problem was that he listened to the _wrong_ people and >prepared in the worst possible way, by practicing against a microcomputer >program. Foolish and it showed. I do not think that it is foolish to practice against microcomputers. It is a good idea when the target of kasparov should not be only to win but to win when the opponent does not understand the position for a big number of moves. If kasparov wins against the micro computer when the micro understands 1 or 2 moves after the mistake that it did a mistake then trying to repeat it against Deeper blue is a bad idea but if kasparov wins against the micro when the micro believes that it is better even 5 moves after the mistake then trying to repeat similiar ideas may be productive also against deeper blue. It is impossible to be sure when the program is not public but it can help in part of the cases and it is possible that it heped kasparov in game 1 and also in game 4. Kasparov did not win game 4 but kasparov sacrificed a pawn when the sacrifice is correct and I believe that kasparov missed a win in game 4. It is possible that kasaprov found a similiar idea in his preperations against chess programs. I remember that Genius3 was also happy with the position of Deeper blue some moves after the sacrifice of kasparov. I remember that I read an anlysis that suggest that kasparov missed a win in game 4 but unfortunately I do not remember the analysis and I am not sure if I saved it. Uri
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