Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 22:15:43 06/06/01
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On June 06, 2001 at 15:29:59, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 06, 2001 at 11:13:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 06, 2001 at 07:26:28, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 06, 2001 at 06:58:28, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>...is that Fritz played the Dutch open just last year, on a quad, >>>>and it didn't win, it didn't even got second. It got _third_, and >>>>this while several players forfeited vs it in protest. >>>> >>>>We're only one year of development further now, and the hardware >>>>will be twice as fast, *no more*. Not even a ply more for Fritzie. >>>> >>>>The Dutch are pretty ok as far as chess is concerned, but it's >>>>not like they have any players that are remotely as strong as >>>>Kramnik. >>>> >>>>It was not in the top 2 of Dutch players, and now it is supposed >>>>to stand a chance vs. the World Champion? Uhh, well maybe if he >>>>gets sick or crazy or something. >>> >>>It is clear that Deep Fritz has no chance against Kramnik. >>> >>>Nobody expects Fritz to win. >>> >>>I guess that most people are not going to bet that Fritz is going to beat >>>Kramnik even if they can earn 100$ for winning and lose 1$ for losing. >>> >>>Fritz is public and it is unfair. >>> >>>A secret program when Kramnik know nothing about it may have chances but noy >>>Fritz. >>> >>>Deeper blue was a secret program when kasparov knew nothing about it. >>>Deep Fritz is not close to be a secret program. >> >>Kasparov didn't "know nothing" about it. DB Jr had played many exhibition >>matches. > >DB Jr is not known to be something close to Deeper blue so I doubt if using Deep >blue JR games could help kasparov. > >I also know that DB jr played games that were not tournament time control but >something like active chess so I doubt if kasparov could learn much about deeper >blue weaknesses. > DB Jr was identical to deep blue, just slower. Same eval, same everything. Do you think that you couldn't learn anything about how to beat a computer in a standard time control game by playing blitz games with it? I could certainly find weaknesses... >I remember that adams could win Deep Junior at blitz when he prepared against it >but when he tried the same opening at 2 hours/40 moves Deep Junior played better >and adams could get only a draw. > >Uri > Kasparov's problem was that he listened to the _wrong_ people and >>prepared in the worst possible way, by practicing against a microcomputer >>program. Foolish and it showed. > >I do not think that it is foolish to practice against microcomputers. > >It is a good idea when the target of kasparov should not be only to win but to >win when the opponent does not understand the position for a big number of >moves. > >If kasparov wins against the micro computer when the micro understands 1 or 2 >moves after the mistake that it did a mistake then trying to repeat it against >Deeper blue is a bad idea but if kasparov wins against the micro when the micro >believes that it is better even 5 moves after the mistake then trying to repeat >similiar ideas may be productive also against deeper blue. > >It is impossible to be sure when the program is not public but it can help in >part of the cases and it is possible that it heped kasparov in game 1 and also >in game 4. > >Kasparov did not win game 4 but kasparov sacrificed a pawn when the sacrifice is >correct and I believe that kasparov missed a win in game 4. > >It is possible that kasaprov found a similiar idea in his preperations against >chess programs. > >I remember that Genius3 was also happy with the position of Deeper blue some >moves after the sacrifice of kasparov. > >I remember that I read an anlysis that suggest that kasparov missed a win in >game 4 but unfortunately I do not remember the analysis and I am not sure if I >saved it. > >Uri
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