Author: John Hatcher
Date: 20:44:53 06/12/01
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On June 12, 2001 at 22:52:22, Dann Corbit wrote: >On June 12, 2001 at 22:18:31, Slater Wold wrote: > >>I am not sure about the other CCC readers, but the recent "Are computers GM >>strength?" has gotten me curious. Are they? One would think. But then you see >>a computer play a bad game, and think, "HA! A 2100 COULD PLAY BETTER THAN >>THAT!" >> >>So let's finalize this. In a full rules, simulated FIDE event. I am talking >>about the 4 top programs vs 4 2500+ GM's. Swiss tournament, standard time >>controls. All the good stuff. Simulate ratings, and get a decent GUESS at >>what, in this tournament, the computers would achieve. >> >>I would rather a 3 round swiss tournament @ 120/0. 3 games against a GM is a >>good gathering of performance. 12 games. See how the computers do. >> >>The summer is arriving, and a lot of GM's will be playing a lot of tournaments >>soon. If you'd like to help, please contact me. If you can help, PLEASE >>contact me. If you want to tell me what a worthless waste of time this is, >>DON'T CONTACT ME! NOT EVEN ON THE CCC BOARD! I don't think anyone wants to >>hear it. >> >>I doubt ANYONE could argue the point of a 3 round swiss. If the computers walk >>away undefeated, then we'll know. It could be close, it could be a killing. >> >>If ANYONE has a better idea. PLEASE SPEAK NOW! > >I think it is a good idea, but I don't think it settles anything. > >Joe is a boxer. Joe goes undefeated in 12 fights. Then, in fight 13, the first >time he really gets pasted in the jaw, we discover Joe has a glass jaw. How >will Joe fare in his next 12 bouts? > >Fred is a boxer. Fred wins 12 bouts in a row. In the 13th bout, Fred gets >hammered every time his opponent uses an uppercut. How will Fred fare in the >next 13 bouts? > >On the other hand, if Kramnik gets handed his hat after careful preparation, I >think that will be very interesting. Not conclusive of course, but it would >definitely alter the way that I think about computer chess engines. The question may be interesting in the abstract, and of interest to chess programmers, but since both Grandmasters and chess programs are stronger than 99% of the chess players on the planet, I think what interests the average program user is how well they can be made to play in a way that mimmics a human's understanding of the game. Of course, computers don't play chess; they crunch numbers and process algorithims. They don't "know" whether they're playing chess, "writing" a letter, or playing a Midi tune. It's the programmer's skill at making a computer mimmic human activity that makes it so fascinatng. It's an illusion; a clever and successful one; but just an illusion. John
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