Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:45:48 06/18/01
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On June 18, 2001 at 05:04:49, Bill Gletsos wrote: >On June 17, 2001 at 21:00:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 17, 2001 at 19:00:14, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On June 17, 2001 at 15:55:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On June 17, 2001 at 14:20:17, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>For those who think the 2500+ standard is too low a standard, here is the list >>>>>of grandamsters in the top 1000 below 2500 elo. As you see there are many below >>>>>2500 elo. The 2500+ elo standard is a good benchmark to be considered GM >>>>>strength status for computers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>You are missing the point: >>>> >>>>The FIDE GM requirements address two points: >>>> >>>>1. consistent play. You must maintain a 2500+ rating while you work on >>>>the second requirement. If you drop below 2500, you can't earn the GM >>>>title. Once you have been awarded the title, you _can_ then drop below >>>>2500. Several GMs have done this, particularly older ones. >>>> >>>>2. Strong play. You must complete three GM norms. You must play in a >>>>tournament with a strong enough field to qualify for a GM norm, and you >>>>must produce a performance rating for each of these events of 2600 or >>>>above. >>>> >>>>The idea is that you will have consistently played at a GM-rating-level, and >>>>that you will have also played in three tough events and produced a rating of >>>>2600+ for each of those events. The thinking is that if you can produce three >>>>2600+ events, _and_ keep your rating over 2500, then you probably _are_ a GM >>>>and not just a "blinding flash and deafening report" that will disappear real >>>>quick. >>>> >>> >>>Two GM norms (3 are not requred, 2600+). 2500+ for 24 games (30 if no round >>>robin). Events must be 80% FIDE rated players, 50% FIDE titled, and have a >>>minimum of 3 GM's. >> >> >>Has this changed? I was at the Marshal Chess Club when everybody was buzzing >>because (then) IM Maurice Ashley had just gotten his _third_ GM norm... >> >> >Bob, >It has always been 2 norms but it is not as simple as Chris would imply. >There is no requirement for a 2500+ rating for 24 games but a 2600 performance >over 24 games. OK... that makes more sense. So to paraphrase: A 2600 performance over 24 games, which must be spread over two events but can be spread over more. IE 3 8-round events with a performance rating of 2600 over all three events? Since 12+ round events are rare, this probably explains the "3rd GM norm buzz I heard in NYC". >A player is required to score two or more norms over 24 games plus attain a >rating of 2500 within 7 years of his first GM norm. >For example if a player scores a GM norm in a 12 round round robin and another >GM norm in a 12 round Swiss and the players rating reaches 2500 any time within >7 yeras of his first GM norm then he earns the GM title. However If he earns a >GM norm in 8 round round robin and a GM norm in a 10 round swiss the player >needs to earn another GM norm in a tournament of at least 6 rounds to gain the >GM title. > >Essentially its trying to prove that the player attained a 2600 performance >rating over 24 games although its not worded in those terms. > >For the majority of players they cannot earn the GM title with just 2 norms >because they cant get the 24 game requirement in 2 title tournaments so it takes >them usually 3 GM norms over 3 tournaments plus of course the 2500 rating >requirement to gain the GM title. > > >Bill > Thanks. That explains my confusion... Bob
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