Author: Mark Young
Date: 07:52:52 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 10:34:14, Chessfun wrote:
>On June 26, 2001 at 10:21:20, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 10:10:06, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:16:44, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:10:10, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position
>>>>>>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening
>>>>>>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do
>>>>>>>>not work against computers at longer time controls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's nonsense.
>>>>>>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's.
>>>>>>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal
>>>>>>>of tournament controls on P100's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy
>>>>>>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results
>>>>>>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt
>>>>>>>>quickly to the strategy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try it yourself at 40/2. If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's
>>>>>>and I (and others) will verify. I have tried, but did not work for more than a
>>>>>>game or two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or
>>>>>>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you
>>>>>>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning.
>>>>>Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch
>>>>>factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be
>>>>>2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me.
>>>>
>>>>I will assume you are a average play, Let me run the program and book, I will
>>>>produce that result for you if that would make you happy.
>>>
>>>
>>>I would consider myself average against humans not against pc's.
>>>I want to know in advance the same as a GM would.
>>>The pc your using, program, ram and opening book and the book must be
>>>commercially available.
>>
>>Sorry Sarah would would be toasted, because the GM would not know the opening
>>book, and the books do not have to be commercially available. So their goes your
>>game plan, computer 10 - Sarah 0.
>
>A pc program should have a standard commercially available book.
>It should play the same on any PC.
Wrong, Sarah since when ("same as a GM would") does the book have to
commercially available. NEVER>
Fine Jump online and play Crafty on ICC, If you can beat it in a 4 game match I
will concide. If you think that Na3 crap will work prove it their where we all
can see the games.
>
>So I'll play without knowing the book np, as long as it's a commercial
>book not a homebuild. Just give me the other info, that's enough.
>
>>Post 1000 games on here were you control what the program plays, it means
>>nothing.
>
>Means nothing to you.
>We started this about three hours ago, lets see you post a game where you
>can control the moves. If it's so easy you should post one in about 2 hours
>or so as I did.
>
>Sarah.
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