Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:44:53 06/29/01
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On June 29, 2001 at 16:56:06, Joshua Lee wrote: > >>>I guess the most appropriate question now is is there any ideas used in the >>>older programs that aren't in use today? If pioneeer doesn't exist how come >>>nobody has thought to try to re-create it with the added benifit of >>> >>>1 C++ >>>2 Newer Algorithms >>>3 Faster Hardware >>>4 Tablebases, Opening books >>> >>>Also my idea is one of Putting all possible techniques into a program .... >>>Alot of work considering i know very little about programming in general. >> >> >>For the case of pioneer, how would you design a program if: >> >>(1) the authors revealed no algorithms at all, they just told about how great >>the would work when they were finished; >> >>(2) the authors posted analysis that was fabricated, plain and simple. And >>claimed their "algorithms" could do things that analysis proved was impossible. >> >>(3) they waved their hands wildly hoping to distract your attention from the >>fact that in 20 years they never played one move in a real game. >> >>How would you write a program to do that? :) > >I guess i would start by organizing all the data from various books by botvinnik >what little their is then i would contact the guys he worked with : > >Misha Tsfasman >Sasha Reznitsky >Boris Shtilman >or >Sasha Yudin > >Contact Berlinner to find out his sorces as to the data was fabricated or >whatever.... > >If this doesn't work i would see if you or some other accomplished programer >would work at putting the ideas that i've gather together > >if none of the above works try it myself painstakingly researching everything >about algorithims etc..... especially things which sound like what botvinnik was >talking about if this doesn't work i would have to ask if this was fabricated >yet it is such a good idea what limits anybody from doing this. > >Long and drawn out way to accomplish this task it may or may not be futile but >then again the "Ideal" chess program would model how a GM selects his move not a >calculator.... > >Maybe the ideas themselves are more important than the existence of actual >program. I have his book on Computers, Chess and long-range planning. I don't see much that would help a programmer. As far as contacting Berliner, you can find Botvinnik's paper in the JICCA, and the next issue has Berliner's analysis showing why it is all nothing but hot air. I didn't particularly like the way Berliner worded his rebuttal, but his data and conclusions were right on...
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