Author: Brian Richardson
Date: 16:24:49 07/01/01
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On July 01, 2001 at 17:52:48, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On July 01, 2001 at 13:21:04, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 01, 2001 at 12:58:40, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On July 01, 2001 at 06:44:23, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On July 01, 2001 at 05:09:45, stefan wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>see also >>>>> >>>>>http://members.tripod.com/~RyanMack/hypertech.htm >>>> >>>>If it is truth than it seems that we are going to see a progress of more than >>>>200 elo in comp-comp games only because of better software for the PIII >>>>hardware. >>>> >>>>I have not enough knowledge to understand if he is right >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>If the move generator in my own program took zero time it would increase in Elo >>>points by maybe 20 or 30, and that's probably high. >>> >>>bruce >> >>You are right that only move generation is not enough but the point is that I >>understand that the data structure helps to do everything faster. >> >>He suggests in the last 3 lines when you click on the link that the program can >>see 10,000,000 nodes per second with the evaluation function >> >>If you rememeber that nodes is only legal move because he talked about legal >>move generator then the result is more impressive. >> >>We need to wait and see if he is right. >> >>Uri > >I looked at it and I think there's a good chance he's full of beans. I don't >think he has the first clue about how to build a chess program, and I think that >he thinks that if he gets the first small part of it done perfectly, the rest >will just naturally follow. > >I don't know if there is a name of this kind of thing, but I see this attitude >expressed often. On the one hand, we have builders, on the other, we have >visionaries. But this kind of person is neither. You have someone who knows >nothing about a problem, but is confident that the problem is trivial and can be >easily solved (by them in particular), and when you question them about the >aspects they haven't considered and can't cope with, they blow smoke and make >promises they can't keep. > >Perhaps a term for these people is "marketing". > >bruce Yes, move generation and attack detection are only parts of a chess program, but the information on the public web site seems plausible. I started my first chess program at 16 (1970). At that time the goal was to fit it in 16K bytes of memory, which I did (albeit without transposition tables, books, etc), but it played. I was much better with algorithims then than I am now. I am going to at least keep an open mind and encourage anyone to explore new ideas. Brian
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