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Subject: Re: Chess Tigger Better against humans than against computers??

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 08:41:25 07/03/01

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On July 03, 2001 at 11:35:56, martin fierz wrote:

>On July 03, 2001 at 11:10:35, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2001 at 10:48:13, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>i am also sure that the players in argentine do not prepare hard for their game
>>>against the computer.
>>>if they had to play a match against it, and there was
>>>money at stake, then they would prepare specifically.
>>
>>Anyway it should be "unfair" versus the computer ... because the computer has
>>not the possibility to prepare against the human...think about it.
>
>that's not true. computers *are* prepared to play against humans - lots of stuff
>in the programs to avoid closed positions, because humans are better at it than
>computers. so if a human were to prepare an opening line which should give a
>closed position, he is doing nothing else than what the computers are doing.
>
>>
>>>as it is, it is a single
>>>game they play against the computer, and there is not much to gain or lose. they
>>>probably think up something on the evening before the game, that's it. a few
>>>hours preparation, not more.
>>>
>>
>>And I as i said I think that those GM were trying to win ( or at least to draw)
>>against Tiger to defend their good reputation, so the argument of the money or
>>norm gain is just not much applicable.
>
>well, of course they want to win, that is obvious! i'm not insinuating that they
>*want* to lose... but you have to see the relations. when you play a closed
>tournament, what you usually do is that every evening, you prepare a couple of
>hours for your next opponent. of course they will prepare for the computer, but
>no more and no less than against any other player. i just want to say that for a
>human playing against another human is completely different than playing a
>computer. so they would have learn how to play against computers first, which is
>not something you do in 2 hours in the evening. what i really believe is that if
>they learned how to play against computers seriously, spending some weeks on it,
>they would do much better. look at the game of ricardi - he improvised some
>anti-computer play which backfired badly. do you really think he came well
>prepared for this game? man, even i would be ashamed if i got such a position
>against the tiger after 13 moves...
>
>cheers
>  martin

I think that tryiing to force the own style of playing only for the aim of
"cheat" the computer can lead to undesired results very often, not to mention
the fatigue of this unnatural job.



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