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Subject: Re: The latest truth on chess ?

Author: Roy Brunjes

Date: 09:04:36 07/08/01

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On July 08, 2001 at 11:09:55, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>This is an extract from "How to become a Chess Master" by Ignacio Marin , I find
>these words very enlightening for the recent debate here at CCC:
>
>"I was planning to talk about the long term requirements for developing as a
>good chess player, but I have thought that it would be better to change the
>order and to say a few things about the latest chess truth: CHESS IS TACTICS.
>Well, yeah, Kasparov has won easily against Deep Blue so we can breath again. We
>are not all bums (or at least Kasparov is not one...). But for me, there has
>been a very funny moment in the match, something that seriously made me wonder
>if all these was not prearranged (now, I don't think so). This moment was when
>Kasparov "discovered" that Deep Blue is able to play good chess!!:
>
>"Mr. Kasparov: Yeah. Yesterday was not a good day. First I have to congratulate
>the IBM team for a tremendous, tremendous job they've just done. What I
>discovered yesterday probably is now clear to everyone. Now for the first time
>we see the computer at chess and quantity becomes quality because the number of
>the moves this monstrous machine can play in fact prevents it from making bad
>positional mistake within reach of its calculation. And yesterday I think the
>move D5 and B3 that was so human but what I realized that for machine it was
>simple because it never lost a pawn within the tree of its calculations.
>
>Now for the first time we are playing not only with a computer but with
>something that has its own intelligence. The depth of the computer's calculation
>gives it certain positions understanding. Even as we saw today, machines don't
>understand many things. But only if it goes beyond the depth of its
>calculation."
>
>This was Kasparov's comment after the second game as appeared in the IBM page.
>
>What I found funny in this comment is his apparent absolute lack of
>understanding of what chess is. Because Chess is ONLY moves in a chessboard,
>chess is only tactics. If you calculate thoroughly enough you will beat Kasparov
>and everybody else because "positional mistakes" simply don't exist: they are
>simply tactical errors with long term consequences. Now I have two explanations:
>1) Kasparov seriously was thinking before the match that chess is more than that
>(kind of a magic that only humans can understand) and he is plainly stupid or 2)
>This was just a publicity trick, and also a way of covering his back. You know,
>this computer is sooo good that even won yesterday, it's sooo good that I really
>have to fight to get the 400000$ and you will have to pay more next time, etc.
>Now, I consider Kasparov to be a very intelligent man so I will bet on 2).
>Unfortunately, if he is no stupid, at least he thinks we are, with these kind of
>comments.
>
>So, yes, chess is only tactics and if your mind was good enough as to calculate
>deeply you will be as good as Deep Blue, and maybe even better. That's higher
>than our goal of 2200 FIDE ELO, right?. What are then the consequences of this
>newly found truth?. That for playing chess, you have to know first and most
>important how to calculate."
>
>Comments are welcome.
>
>Regards,
>Otello.

Otello,

Spot on.  I have believed this for decades since I first learned that computers
could play chess.  I find it interesting that many others apparently do not
share this view.  In the end, a games of chess can be won by just 100%
calculation of variations.  Some human skills like pattern matching go a long
way toward forcing the computer to calculate even deeper, but eventually,
sufficiently deep calculation will prevail.  I do not think that computers are
there yet, meaning that the cream of human players should still be able to win
long matches vs computers (meaning PCs, not Deep Blue-like creations), but each
year the task gets harder and harder.

Roy




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