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Subject: Re: I think Chris Carson has been vindicated!!!!!!! Tiger Achieves grandmast

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 05:26:06 07/09/01

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On July 09, 2001 at 06:48:23, David Dory wrote:

>>
>>Very well put, Uri.
>>I think that chess programs reached that milestone only pretty recently , thanks
>>to the powerful hardware advancements in micros, but mainly thanks to the
>>advanced software algorithms implemented in top programs.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression no one could get FIDE
>points (or a higher elo), by playing computers. If that's true, Uri, your
>argument is untrue:
>
>>>GM's can get better ranking relative to other humans by beating the machine and
>>>better ranking means more money so they still have motivation to win against the
>>>machine.

I think that Uri's point was that humans can improve their tactical skills
beating computers.

>
>I have no info on the Israeli chess team, or their practices. Choosing your
>opponent is interesting, but irrelevant to this discussion, IMHO. What I said
>was that I'd like to see the computer's playing along just like the humans in at
>least several major (and minor) tournaments. No special rules, no special
>exceptions, for either human or program.

Me too.

>
>I believe with more preparation, and experience, the weaknesses inherent even in
>today's best chess programs will be found out. Once discovered, the humans will
>be all over them like white on rice, and the computer's will be sunk, until a
>new version (or tweak) can fix **That** one problem. Then another weakness will
>be found, and exploited, again and again.

This ameliorating process was started years ago...and I think is still in
progress.
To be objective , very good outcomes are nowadays under our eyes.
Look at the Argentine Master results to have an idea of how much progress has
been made.

>Thanks for your comments, Uri and Othello. I do believe that GM's one day will
>have no chance against a computer of top strength - but I don't think we're
>there, today.

Let's say that we are almost there...

Regards.




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