Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 08:27:32 07/11/01
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On July 11, 2001 at 04:09:24, Tony Werten wrote: >On July 10, 2001 at 11:52:38, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On July 10, 2001 at 02:46:24, Tony Werten wrote: >> >>>>What if I had bought a computer for this last week? Suddenly I get there and >>>>I'm not competitive because I assumed, with a month left, that it was a >>>>single-processor event. >>> >>>I have to disagree. Last year multiprocessors machines were not banished from >>>the event. The just had to show they were only using one processor.( Diep and >>>Junior if I remember correctly ) >>> >>>If your program benefits from multiprocessor and you want to play at tournaments >>>and you then buy a single processor, then your choice was wrong. >> >>I don't understand this. In my house I have a 550 mhz P3. I have a Quad 450 >>Xeon. The first is not competitive, the second is too big to consider taking on >>an airplane again. > >Do you really think this quad is much better than a 1.3 Ghz AMD ? What is Chessbase bringing? Do you think they are bringing 1.3 ghz AMD's? >>The event has been a single-processor event. > >Where did you read this ? It has been a pc event. 10 years ago 100 Mhz was a >fast pc, nowadays multiprocessors are normal in pc's. Should they go back to >286- 16Mhz because that was normal a while ago ? The even has always been a single-processor event. Multiple processors have been specifically excluded. To include them on short notice is a big change. >Last year it was single processor. Correct. Last year it was below 1Ghz as well. >And last but not least it was in Londen. Don't expect to be able to play however >if you show up with your computer in London. Things change. All I am getting at here is that some *notice* helps. >>If I had ordered a computer last >>week, a single-processor machine, because this is a single-processor event, >>I would have potentially spent a lot of money on an uncompetitive machine. > >That's the risk you run if a you buy something on what you believe others are >going to ask. Again, who of the organising commite told you it was going to be >single processor ? WMCCC = single-processor. Every previous event, even though duals and quads have been available for some time. There have always been restrictions on machines in this event. >>>Second, for most people the difference between a single and a multiprocessor >>>does not make the difference between being competitive or not. It's the same >>>discussion every year before such an event. Program A is going to win because >>>the processor is 50% faster than program B. It's just not true, as is shown >>>every year after the event. Of course, faster (or more) processors help. But not >>>that much. >> >>This is bull. You ask what Chessbase is going to bring. You ask what everyone >>is going to bring. All the commercials will be on the hottest stuff they can >>find, and it does matter a whole lot. >> >>People spend months trying to scrape 10% performance out of their engine, > >How much ELO is 10% ? Maybe almost 5 ? > >>and >>yet a speed factor of 2 or 3 doesn't matter? No. > >Reread. It did not say it didn't matter. I said it didn't matter that much. If you think that, you are wrong. >Of course the professionals show up with more heavy material than most amateurs. >They have always done that, and they always will. That's a big part of the >difference between amateurs and professionals, the amount of money they can >spend. > >They don't care where the events is held, they can afford the airtickets. Of >course it would be nice to have all the tickets paid. But it's not the 90's >anymore. Computerchess is not that popular anymore, so they didn't find a >sponsor willing to pay that much money. Maybe next year, maybe never again. This is not worth arguing about anymore. The event is going to be a godawful fiasco. bruce >Tony > >> >>People want to take this event seriously, and it's seriously screwed that the >>organizers don't. >> >>bruce
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