Author: Detlef Pordzik
Date: 13:26:26 05/05/98
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On May 05, 1998 at 14:52:38, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>On May 05, 1998 at 09:11:18, Kim Hvarre wrote: >>Oh, those happy days where SSDF was a little club of devoted people, >>where "a Gunnar" quarterly could reach several hundred "handplayed" >>test-games , where Pahlén, Göran and all the others served with >>brilliant articles issue after issue, where the >>"computerchess-community" primarily consisted of professionals, where >>self-appointed "mentors" was a not yet known phenomenon, where the list >>just was The List, where no one argued about letting e.g. Mach IV >>(68020/20) play against Exel Club (68000/12), where the sole criteria >>was the ratingdiff. (less than 200), where no one placed the machines >>to Ply' disposal, where the major part of the members owned several >>chessmachines themselves, where there was no public forum (sic!) for >>debating the pro and cons of a "club" the eager ones don't even support >>(cool cash/membership), where about every ignorant not yet had >>some-thing to say and tell SSDF, well, those were the days. >>A well known problem: Give X Y (which he shortly after masters >>rudimentarily), then X becomes an expert on Y. And all his friends get >tired. >>Challenge: 1) Become Ply member 2) Learn Swedish. >>Then deal with SSDF, competent from the inside. Do it all and this >>debate would have been rather redundant. >> >>regards, >> >>kim > >Your post looks to me just like another example of an arrogant >statement. >We don't have to learn swedish since chess and even computerchess is >multi-cultural and does not need a special language other than chess. > >It should happen that people - without beeing members of ssdf - have >also known and had chess machines, more than ONE. And it should be >possible to know about dedicated machines without beeing swedish. >In one point you are right. Those days were easier because you never >heard about critics. I can only speak for the german freaks who started >from the very beginning. And I can tell you, without beeing >ssdf-members, they have also knowledge. people like Frickenschmidt, >Bauermeister, Pordzik, Tschoop, Ketterling, Leupold, Pilz, and and and >have never had any problems to know about dedicated machines or later, >software. Without beeing swedish or beeing member. Including your later answer - calling the above as " off-topic " - I'd like to call your entire posting as - strange, by content - not by meaning. The message in undoubtably - and this is just, what Thorsten reacted at. ( In his very style - but, correct ) I see no reason far or near to learn Swedish - just to become closer involved with the SSDF. Nor with PLY - which obviously is dedicated strongly to the natives of Sweden. I've allways respected the members + headers of the SSDF ; if they make surprising + relevant mistakes today - it is a COMMON thing, as long as the list is available for everybody. To question a handling is no sacrileg. And competence - as Thorsten wrote, has nothing to do with inside or outside. But, to stick to the - true - content of his message : where were you + what did you do, dear Kim, when we, the people Thorsten mentioned from Germany, started testing.....and writing on progs like Leonardo or Constellation ?? And continued on this work with the progs of today, BTW. I may have rememberance fallouts - but I sure don't remember you - just to remain " topic " on competence..... and this is only the small spectrum Germany - who mentioned Austria ( ! ), GBR, USA......with all the eloquent, well known folks of " the past " - WITH their knowledge - which still are on scene, today ? You really should overthink the message of yours ! ELVIS ( Detlef Pordzik )
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