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Subject: Re: Hubner - Fritz: 3-3 is really disappointing !

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 00:36:04 07/24/01

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On July 23, 2001 at 17:54:26, Kevin Stafford wrote:

>>The point made above was just to stress the importance of the tactics , let me
>>add the following inspired words by I.Marin :
>>
>>"Chess is ONLY moves in a chessboard, chess is only tactics. If you calculate
>>thoroughly enough you will beat Kasparov and everybody else because "positional
>>mistakes" simply don't exist: they are simply tactical errors with long term
>>consequences."
>>
>>Best Regards
>
>While Ignacio is correct that chess is only tactics in the most abstract sense,
>this quote is also slightly misleading. This is because both humans and
>computers have a finite tactical window beyond which they cannot accurately
>calculate (at least in a reasonable amount of time). It has been shown that
>increasing the depth of this window is difficult, as the search tree grows
>exponentially with each ply increase. It is for this reason that positional
>considerations are in fact relevant.

I think that the above consideration is applicable to the humans, since the
comps can easily manage huge search trees and have tactical skills far beyond
any human player.

>
>I define a positional move as one that leads to no obvious, immediate tactic,
>but is speculative in that it might lead to tactics which are beyond the current
>tactical window. No one is disputing that tactics are not extremely important
>(and in my opinion, are the very soul of chess), but I do believe that playing
>for tactics alone will put you at a disadvantage to a person or machine with
>positional understanding, unless your tactical window is sufficiently deeper
>than theirs.

Exactly , If I can see one move deeper than you, you can have a fantastic
strategy but at the end I will be the winner.

 It is for this very reason that there has been a shift in chess
>programming away from exclusively fast searchers towards engines with more
>"chess knowledge" in their evaluation functions.
>
>-Kevin

There are different "schools of thought" about the above point: you have to get
an eval that doesn't slow down too much the search speed (i.e. not too complex),
otherwise the chess knowledge is of no avail , since you have not enough
deepness of search.

Regards.



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