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Subject: Re: Hubner - Fritz: 3-3 is really disappointing !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:40:21 07/24/01

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On July 24, 2001 at 03:36:04, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>On July 23, 2001 at 17:54:26, Kevin Stafford wrote:
>
>>>The point made above was just to stress the importance of the tactics , let me
>>>add the following inspired words by I.Marin :
>>>
>>>"Chess is ONLY moves in a chessboard, chess is only tactics. If you calculate
>>>thoroughly enough you will beat Kasparov and everybody else because "positional
>>>mistakes" simply don't exist: they are simply tactical errors with long term
>>>consequences."
>>>
>>>Best Regards
>>
>>While Ignacio is correct that chess is only tactics in the most abstract sense,
>>this quote is also slightly misleading. This is because both humans and
>>computers have a finite tactical window beyond which they cannot accurately
>>calculate (at least in a reasonable amount of time). It has been shown that
>>increasing the depth of this window is difficult, as the search tree grows
>>exponentially with each ply increase. It is for this reason that positional
>>considerations are in fact relevant.
>
>I think that the above consideration is applicable to the humans, since the
>comps can easily manage huge search trees and have tactical skills far beyond
>any human player.
>
>>
>>I define a positional move as one that leads to no obvious, immediate tactic,
>>but is speculative in that it might lead to tactics which are beyond the current
>>tactical window. No one is disputing that tactics are not extremely important
>>(and in my opinion, are the very soul of chess), but I do believe that playing
>>for tactics alone will put you at a disadvantage to a person or machine with
>>positional understanding, unless your tactical window is sufficiently deeper
>>than theirs.
>
>Exactly , If I can see one move deeper than you, you can have a fantastic
>strategy but at the end I will be the winner.
>
> It is for this very reason that there has been a shift in chess
>>programming away from exclusively fast searchers towards engines with more
>>"chess knowledge" in their evaluation functions.
>>
>>-Kevin
>
>There are different "schools of thought" about the above point: you have to get
>an eval that doesn't slow down too much the search speed (i.e. not too complex),
>otherwise the chess knowledge is of no avail , since you have not enough
>deepness of search.

I do not believe in it.
a complex evaluation function can help you to be better in tactics because you
can get better rules which lines to prune and which lines to extend.

Uri



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