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Subject: Re: Question: WAC.001 and null move

Author: José Carlos

Date: 08:56:35 08/20/01

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On August 20, 2001 at 09:43:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 20, 2001 at 05:22:36, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On August 20, 2001 at 04:41:41, José Carlos wrote:
>>
>>>  Then I tried not doing it in the PV, and the strange things went out. The tree
>>>got smaller and the search deeper.
>>>  I don't know if this is the correct way of doing it (never do a null-move in
>>>the PV), cause I like to try myself before looking other's sources to see how
>>>they do it. But looks reasonable. In the PV, we don't expect to fail high, so
>>>why trying a null move?
>>
>>I don't do this, and crafty doesn't seem to be doing this either.
>>
>>However, your explanation makes perfect sense and I will try it.
>>
>>--
>>GCP
>
>
>I used to do it but I found that trying nulls _everywhere_ actually made my
>tree smaller.  I do it this way now because it was more efficient when I
>tested it..  Not by a lot, but better.

  Mmm, some time ago I asked about my not enough deep search, and some of you
pointed me to the move ordering. I found that null moves in the PV caused the PV
to go crazy sometimes. So I stoped doint null moves in the PV (according to my
previous post reasoning) and I did the trick. My fail high on the first
move/fail highs rate moved from 86-92% to 90-96%. And my search went to 'normal
depths'. Now I doubt again... Is there something I have to take into account
when doing null moves in the PV to avoid getting strange PV's? I know, the
question is too vague but, maybe someone has an idea.
  So, everyone does null moves in the PV?

  José C.



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