Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:10:05 08/27/01
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On August 26, 2001 at 18:36:31, Amir Ban wrote: >On August 25, 2001 at 20:47:44, Mig Greengard wrote: > >>Sorry to dredge this up yet again, and ignore this rather than turn it into a >>flame war or something worse. I know feelings on this topic can run hot. >> >>Although we do not have enough of Deep Blue's games to make anywhere near an >>accurate assessment of its chess strength, I am requesting a summary of thoughts >>on how today's top programs measure up on a science level. In the past I've seen >>some admirably objective breakdowns on this topic from Bob Hyatt and a few >>others, but did not save them. >> >>Put Deep Fritz, or other top programs, on the best available platform on which >>they can run, and I imagine this is what they will have in Bahrain, and knowing >>what we do about DB, what comparisons can we make? >> >>Subjective arguments (chess knowledge in particular) are also welcome, but >>should be concise as opposed to argumentative! >> >>Thanks, Mig >> >>Editor-in-chief >>http://www.kasparovchess.com > >I've written on this several times, and to summarize my position, it is that a >machine that is much better than all the others must be shown to play an >objectively good move that the others don't, or at least the others need much >more time to get it. > >During the debate the supporters of Deep Blue's exceptional strength were asked >to name such a move, but failed to show anything convincing. > >This was the situation even in 1997, when PC's and engines were weaker. > >If Deep Blue did not play in its entire career a move that shows exceptional >depth, then I'm not prepared to believe it had it (and if it had it, it was a >wasted career). > >Amir Well spoken Amir, but we can add more to this, and that's the huge number of bad moves made by the IBM machine which are not made by any of todays software, both our programs included. See journal of ICCA june 1997 with a huge number of moves which Seirawan gives a ? or ?! mark where todays software hardly makes any of those beginners moves as they are usually covered in basic knowledge. Best Regards, Vincent
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