Author: Theo van der Storm
Date: 13:59:05 08/30/01
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On August 29, 2001 at 23:32:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 29, 2001 at 18:42:32, Theo van der Storm wrote: > >>On August 29, 2001 at 17:30:50, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On August 29, 2001 at 16:41:54, Theo van der Storm wrote: >>>>On August 29, 2001 at 05:37:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>... >>>Why do the professional programs have to pay so much? >>>What are the expenses involved that require such large fees? >> >>My sympathy is more with the amateurs. >>For a poor student $100 is a lot of money. >> >>>I would think that a sponsoring university could be found that would not charge >>>thousands of dollars for the use of the fascilities. >> >>Although I was NOT involved in the Maastricht organisation, >>I happen to know, that many universities have established a kind of >>self-supporting facilities department in order to cut over-all costs. >>Other departments, among which the sponsor, simply have to pay. >>Usually these are budgeted internal cost, except for special events... >> >>Theo van der Storm >That is the thing I don't understand. I competed in ACM events from 1976 to >the last one held. We _never_ charged an entry fee. I played in many WCCC >events. We _never_ charged an entry fee. I was a participant 1981-1985 in the Dutch Computer-Chess championships. Since around 1996 I organised the event as an Open Dutch championship. Other CSVN boardmembers helped during the event, of course. We _never_ charged an entry fee, although membership (<$25) was and is required. Firstly it was always organised as a very low budget event. Secondly it was and is budgetted from the CSVN (Dutch Computer-chess association) own funds. Maybe the ICCA could cut some cost too. However they have only half the number of members of the CSVN, so that's a small base for a big event. >The ICCA decided to charge entry >fees for the WMCCC events as they were essentially all "professional" in the >80's. And it was a way to engorge the ICCA treasury from companies that would >use the WMCCC results to augment their sales. All quite reasonable. But now >the WMCCC event has effectively replaced the old ACM events, where everybody >comes. And the entry fee has outlived its usefulness. It stifles the >competition. As does the rather ridiculous issue of traveling to Europe every >year since that is the only place these things seem to be held, for the most >part. > >The ACM did it the right way, with the event bouncing all over the US, so that >everyone had a chance to make a cheap trip at least every other year. We need >to encourage new people to join in the fun, not make it impossible for them to >do so unless they own their own airline. I agree the WMCCC should alternate EUR-US like the WCCC for the reasons you mention, but the problem is finding sponsors who like that idea. Theo van der Storm
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