Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 05:36:21 10/11/01
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On October 06, 2001 at 20:01:04, Walter Koroljow wrote: >On October 05, 2001 at 13:14:54, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On October 05, 2001 at 12:34:22, Ashwin P. Phatak wrote: >> >>>Since the early days of AI (Artificial Intelligence) people have agreed on one >>>thing: that a good AI system should mimic or behave like humans, even fail where >>>humans would [Turing test]. >>>However, computer chess programmers did not pay any attention to this - only >>>winning was important. The quest now is only to see who is better - man or >>>machine. I do not doubt that eventually programs like those available today will >>>defeat the best chess players in the world. However, I would rather like to see >>>a program which is "human" - which tries to evaluate positions the way humans >>>do, which makes mistakes, learns from them, and which "enjoys" a hard fought >>>victory. A program which learns how individual opponents play, and devises >>>strategies based on the opponent. A program, which uses psychological tactics. >>>This is what I call Real AI. This is the real goal of AI. >>> >>>The question is not just of philosophical interest - I think if such a program >>>is written, it will help in other areas of AI also. I wonder what contribution >>>the number-crunching approach has made to other fields. It is not general enough >>>and is impossible to apply where the complexity is high.The time is ripe to try >>>a new approach. >>> >>>I am interested in writing a program which uses this "human" approach.If you >>>want to join me,you are welcome. >>>Regards, >>>Ashwin. >> >>How is it going to work? >> >>bruce > >Bruce and Ashwin, > >I recently (barely) found time to read Botvinnik's "Articles and Reminiscences" >written circa 1988. > >He talks interminably the way Ashwin does. That was the goal of the last twenty >years+ of his life. He claims to have succeeded -- not in his chess program, >but in the basic approach. He says that his algorithm was used successfully to >schedule maintenance for power stations. It was used and was so successful that >it was then improved and used again with its greater capabilities (if I recall, >it took into account personnel constraints). > >He says that there were numerous publications of his ideas (including some in >English), but I have not checked them. > >My point: Ashwin -- before you spend years on this project, check what has been >done; Bruce -- someone claims that there exists an approach which has passed >the review of referees and book publishers. Perhaps it is not just wishware. > >Walter Most of Botwinnik's later publications were as an invited speaker. Dave
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