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Subject: Re: Nolot #4 and shredder5

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:30:39 11/11/01

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On November 10, 2001 at 14:53:55, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>
>shredder5 may be the three time world champ, but in these position tests it
>seems it does not do any better than most programs, and some it does not see at
>all. it seems to me that most programs today are very good, even though we all

In short that says that being tactical more powerful is worth nothing
nowadays in chess. In past times (in these days Bob attended tournaments
in person) the tactical strongest won in computerchess, because programs
searched at small searchdepths. These results prove
simply that nowadays things are different.

Nevertheless i also ran Schach 3.0 at Nxe6 position. despite that it is
486 assembly it is not slow. 800k nodes a second single cpu. 32mb hash
(DOS 6.22 of course without any memory manager, doesn't work under
windoze). Very hard to operate and after testing a position the machine
must reboot.

It needs 14 ply to find Nxe6 and 9800 seconds. So a a bit less than 3 hours.

Despite it uses nullmove and has a very limited qsearch
it needs 'deep blue' a look like number of nodes. Schach does have
singular extensions by the way.

Diep without extensions is lucky with evaluation and
needs 11 ply for Nxe6 and gets this
11 ply pretty quick. Under 10 minutes even.

>want to rank them in some type of order. i have noticed some programs at ICC
>that are rated at 800  and 1500. these guys should be very proud of their work,
>all of the top programs started at some of these lower levels. i still have my
>fidelity 16 mhz in the closet and it is a blast to use.
>
>so anyway here is shredder5 at depth 18/36, with Nolot #4. sees Nxe6 in eight
>minutes. i think some other programs beat this time by large amount.
>
>Engine: Shredder 5
>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
>position:  ok
>  9.01	 0:02 	+0.59-- 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd2 Be7 3.f4 O-O 4.Bxf6 Bxf6 5.Rfb1 Bxd4+
>6.Qxd4 Qb6 (759.440) 274.5
>  9.01	 0:03 	+0.59 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.f3 Be7 3.Nb3 Qc5+ 4.Nxc5 Ng4 5.fxg4 (839.296)
>277.3
> 10.01	 0:08 	+0.56 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 Rb8 4.f3 Qb6 5.Be3 O-O
>(2.217.014) 273.6
> 11.01	 0:17 	+0.56 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 Nc5 4.Be3 O-O 5.f3 Bd7 6.Bh6
>(4.732.156) 275.0
> 12.01	 0:41 	+0.50 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 O-O 4.Rfd1 Qb6 5.Bh6 Ne8 6.Rab1
>(11.361.219) 276.1
> 13.01	 1:56 	+0.45 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Nc5 3.Qe3 Be7 4.Nb3 Nxb3 5.axb3 O-O 6.f3 b6
>(32.331.257) 276.9
> 14.01	 5:15 	+0.48 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 b5 4.Rad1 Bb7 5.Bd2 g6 6.f3 Nh5
>7.Qg4 (85.334.369) 270.8
> 14.08	 8:33 	+0.49++ 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qf5 4.Qe1+ Ne5 5.f4 g6
>6.Bf3 Qxc2 7.fxe5 h6 (139.259.529) 271.0
> 14.08	 9:14 	+0.84++ 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qf5 4.Qe1+ Ne5 5.f4 g6
>6.Bf3 Qxc2 7.fxe5 Qxb2 8.exd6+ Qe5 9.Rb1 (150.431.755) 271.3
> 14.08	11:57 	+1.47 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
>Qa3 7.Nxf6 Bb5 8.Nd5+ f6 9.Nxf6 (197.482.676) 275.2
> 15.01	14:16 	+1.22-- 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7
>6.Rb1 Qxa2 7.Nxf6 Bc6 8.Nd5+ f6 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.Qe1 gxf6 (237.919.491) 277.7
> 15.01	17:04 	+1.22 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
>Qxa2 7.Qd4 Be7 8.Qb6+ Ke8 9.Nc7+ Kf8 10.Nxa8 (286.093.310) 279.3
> 16.01	34:08 	+1.39 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
>Qxa2 7.Qd4 Be7 8.Qb6+ Ke8 9.Nc7+ Kf8 10.Nxa8 (582.366.044) 284.2
> 17.01	64:29 	+1.14-- 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7
>6.Rb1 Qxa2 7.Qd4 Be7 8.Qb6+ Ke8 9.Nc7+ Kf8 10.Nxa8 Bc6 11.Qc7 Qxc2 12.Qc8+ Ne8
>(1.112.747.697) 287.5
> 17.01	93:46 	+1.14 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
>Qxa2 7.Qd4 Be7 8.Nxe7 Kxe7 9.e5 dxe5 10.fxe5 (1.627.100.850) 289.1
>best move: Nd4xe6 time: 186:16.324 minnodes: 1627.100.850
>
>kburcham



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