Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:34:43 11/17/01
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On November 17, 2001 at 03:15:00, Tony Werten wrote: >On November 16, 2001 at 12:56:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 16, 2001 at 04:00:56, Tony Werten wrote: >> >>>On November 15, 2001 at 20:33:28, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >>> >>>>On November 15, 2001 at 05:59:26, Tony Werten wrote: >>>> >>>>>July 5th is the opening of the Olympiad. Don't know when chess will start. >>>>>There >>>>>are over 200 countries in the world. Somebody will have an independence day >>>>>during the event as well. Last year, in august, you were the only american >>>>>operator.( How many were there in London ?) Now in July there is a problem >>>>>which >>>>>would keep all americans away ? >>>> >>>>So you make it extremely inconvenient for us to attend and then you point out >>> ^^^ >>> they >>> >>>>that our poor attendance is the reason for more inconvenience? >>> ^^ >>> could be >>>>Am I the only >>>>person who finds this comment incredibly short-sighted? >>> >>>Maybe. But could you explain how London or Maastricht was "extremely >>>inconvenient" >> >>It is an 8+ hour flight from anywhere in the US except for major eastern >>airports where it is a 7 hour direct flight. It is not cheap. And it is >>inconvenient because the _charter_ of the ICCA specifically states that the >>WCCC event is to be held every three years, and is to alternate between Europe >>and North America. The last time it was held in North America was in Alberta >>Canada, in 1989. 1986 was Germany, 1983 was New York City, 1980 was Austria, >>1977 was in Toronto Canada, 1974 was in Sweden (I think). Starting in 1992 >>every WCCC event has been held outside of North America. for 1989 and earlier >>events, you can see the alternation. Since 1989, it has gone overseas period. >>Which means for _every_ WCCC event, American programmers can either stay at home >>or cough up a huge airline fare + hotel bill. Europeans don't have to make >>that choice. > >Jakarta and Hong Kong are not exactly inside Europe Bob. I agree they are >outside North America. > Jakarta doesn't count. That was a WMCCC event. The Hong Kong event was a WCCC event. And holding it there was _also_ a violation of the ICCA charter, particularly when there are so many programs being developed close by there. :) >If you take they ICCA charter litteraly it should not have been held there, but >reading it as alternating between North America and outside North America is >something different. > >Tony It doesn't say "outside North America", however. It is very specific about Europe vs North America. > > >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>>True. Problem is that there are no sponsors in the US. As you might have >>>>>noticed, there hasn't been a major event in the US for over 10 years. >>>> >>>>And you admit in a later post that an attempt to find a US sponsor was "not >>>>entirely" made. Maybe if somebody had entirely attempted to find a sponsor over >>>>the past 10 years, a major event would have been held in the US in the past 10 >>>>years. >>> >>>No I didn't. I said the absence of tournements and the difficulties in finding >>>sponsors are not entirly unrelated. >>> >>>> >>>>>Irony is that the ICCA charter (alternate championships between europe and >>>>>america ) feels to me to, was meant to "protect" europe ie make sure that the >>>>>americans would not organise all the events. Now they do not return the favor. >>>>>Making sure you are being treated fair is easier than treating fair. >>>> >>>>Great, so the "fair" solution to make sure that the US doesn't hold all the >>>>events is to not hold any of the events in the US? >>> >>>Didn't say that either. >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>> >>>>-Tom
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