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Subject: Re: programmer strength vs program strength?

Author: David Blackman

Date: 00:30:22 06/05/98

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On June 04, 1998 at 17:33:28, David Fotland wrote:

>On June 03, 1998 at 17:05:32, odell hall wrote:
>
>>I am curious do programmers know how to defeat there own programs.

>Is anyone's
>program more than 400 points stronger than the programmer (or advisor)?
>Perhaps once the program is strong enough that the programmer can't beat
>it, the programmer can't figure out how to improve it easily?
>
>David

My program would be a bit more than 400 points stronger than me on its
less buggy days. I still know a lot more than it does positionally. And
even then i can read Silman, Nimzowich, Kmoch, Pachman, etc, fairly
quickly and get new positional concepts to feed to the program. To
actually apply those concepts to my own game would require me to first
play much stronger tactics, which would take much longer to learn.
Programming for good tactics is fairly well understood now, and you
don't have to be a strong player to write the code.

Some of the strongest programs of the past were written by very weak
players. Belle (Thompson and Condon) and BEBE (Scherzer) had authors who
claimed to be  worse than weak club standard, but the programs were
close to master strength. Quite possibly 1000 points difference.

Today there is an additional resource for chess programmers who are weak
players. Put your program on FICS, and for each change you make, if it's
good, your rating goes up. You don't really have to understand whether
the moves are better, or why.



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