Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 14:48:54 12/14/01
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On December 14, 2001 at 13:32:11, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On December 14, 2001 at 13:22:25, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 14, 2001 at 13:09:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2001 at 13:08:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>If you look at Zhu Chen FIDE rating of 2497 and her open style of play, some of >>>>you don't have any doubts in your mind that if a match of 5 games evedr take >>>>place, using the new FIDE Standard time control of 90 Min, the new Female FIDE >>>>Champion would NOT have a Chance against any of these three Programs Fritz 7 >>>>Deep Junior 7 or Gambit Tiger on a single processor. I might be the only one who >>>>believe that Zhu Chen could still manage to beat the three best current >>>>programs. >>> >>>PS: I did mentioned using a single processor NOT MP system. >>> >>>Pichard >> > >>I do not know. >>It depends on a lot of factors >> >>1)Which processor is used? >>It is possible tui use P90 and it is possible to use A1400 > > Answer: The best Single processor available , possibly a 1900+ from AMD >> > >>2)Does Zhu chen gets the exact program including all the opening book before the >>match so she can plan her wins before the matches? > >Answer: Without her getting the program in advance >> >>3)How much time does Zhu has in order to prepare for the match? > >Answer: At least 2 Months >> >>4)How much money does Zhu earn if she wins the match and how much money does she >>earn if she loses or draws the match?(if you want her to win then it is better >>to decide that she earns nothing for losing or drawing the match) > >Answer: That will all depend on who is willing to organize the event >> >>5)How many games are in the match? > >Answer: Just 5 games using the new FIDE time control of 90 Min etc.... >> >>6)How much time she has between the games? > >Answer: Only one day between games >> >> >>Uri Nah if you consider i have 3.5 out of 4 now against tiger at levels from 15 15 to 30 30 and that i play these games usually in the middle of the night, then 90 30 is like heaven. I'm 2312 FM but i do not blunder at 15 15 levels soon a piece away. Tactically i'm not so bad. Obviously Zu Chen is nowhere on paper worse than i am. Much is going to depend upon the HUMAN factor. a) she knows probably nothing from computers. b) she never played computers before much i guess, this is like 1000 points difference against computer, because computer in its own street is like god in heaven or kasparov in opening or like kramnik in technical positions (sometimes that's endgame sometimes already middlegame). c) see other posts of mine. In short all what counts is the human factor. A good example from someone who is 2500 now that's Ziatdinov. Against some humans he plays like shit, against other strong GMs he's psychological gone. However see how he plays against computers at the internet. ICC in this case. His handle is RZiat. Just do a search diep rziat. DIEP plays at the internet with a random automatically generated book (latest crafty.pgn in fact). So well prepared players (and about all players > 2400 are like that) can profit bigtime from that. Note that if you would turn off book, that tiger is a god compared to fritz. A clubmember of mine who bought fritz6 some time ago, he was always afraid for it. Now he had to remove book from harddisk as he needed the space on his computer. He now plays against it without book and he wins in blitz from it. He's 2100 rated national. His respect is gone now for Fritz and computers in general. If a player who is able to not directly blunder away a piece, against a program gets a strategic position where the thing is out of book, then that's real important. Fritz relies on the biggest hand made openings book on earth. If it is out of book, then it's history. Idem for all programs, but fritz is worst here. Now that might not seem fair to you, but if you play a pro for money, even an amateur like me, then this is real important, because i have the machines out of book at move 4 or so. The alternative is that i play a mainline which i for sure know better than the machines book so i get +- out of book (if i have white). The human factor here is getting this done. If you get an open very unclear position with hardly a strategic motive at the board then you clearly do something wrong against the machine as then we already know who is better. If you look at how Zu Chen plays, then you see she plays half closed to fully closed positions all the time, like most strong chinese do. So the human factor here is her playing 1 crucial move at move 4 and move 8 or something which is the difference in 1000 rating points of strength from the machine. Best regards, Vincent
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