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Subject: Re: Aspiration window

Author: Antonio Dieguez

Date: 13:47:09 01/21/02

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On January 21, 2002 at 16:30:22, Bas Hamstra wrote:

>On January 21, 2002 at 15:56:59, Antonio Dieguez wrote:
>
>>>It should matter in quiet positions, right?
>>
>>Well, It should matter depending on how often the pv changes, so may be more in
>>unquiet positions.
>>
>>>Well, here is data, opening
>>>position:
>>>
>>>Rootwindow <-inf, inf> takes 2404K nodes
>>>Rootwindow <-50, 50> takes 2420K nodes
>>>
>>>...to complete 10 ply.
>>
>>strange, I don't know the logic there, i would have guessed a bigger
>>difference. please don't be angry but if that is what I would get in amyan
>>regularly I would be sure it has a bug or I made a mistake in the experiment.
>
>It is possible of course, but I don't think so. It just don't seem to buy me a
>lot. As far as I know it has never been proven anyway. Plus (based on only a
>couple of tests) I simply don't see it here.

but search with alpha+1,beta is better if beta is not infinite. I don't think
that using pvs changes that much, the results of your tests, if have done well,
are counterintuitive.

>>>Convince me with data :-) Should be no big deal to do this little test for
>>your engine? Difference? Other position is also fine.
>>
>>I'm not using much pvs inside the three as it does not help me, may be other
>>person may do that quicker.
>>Be well...
>
>Do you use straight alphabeta? PVS might be a tiny bit more efficient. At least
>that is what everybody says. But the difference is small IMO.

hyatt says that for him, the difference between alphabeta with aspiration and
pvs is only 10%, for me is near zero.
I use almost straigth alphabeta, for example if beta is alpha+2 then I may
wonder if doing pvs is better or not, etc.

Best regards...
Antonio



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