Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 15:54:18 02/13/02
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On February 13, 2002 at 18:41:56, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 13, 2002 at 18:31:49, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 13, 2002 at 18:19:26, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On February 13, 2002 at 18:16:49, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:29:27, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>>On February 13, 2002 at 17:16:56, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>>[snip] >>>>>>It seems that a lot of people in this forum underestimate Computers Grossly. >>>>>>There is nothing that a 1500 player can do which a program cant >>>>> >>>>>How about "make coffee?" >>>>> >>>>>1500 players will occasionally see things that computers don't. The hard part >>>>>is getting to a position like that. The odds of working your way through the >>>>>maze to the point where you can see something the computer does not are >>>>>incredibly small. >>>>> >>>>>Just because you can't see them does not mean that some 1500 players can't. >>>>Once again it seems to me that you just dont get the point.In Order to truely >>>>appreciate the Strenght of current Programs;you should at least play 30 games >>>>at 40/2. >>> >>>I have done this. I play at least two games a week at 40/2 (mostly against >>>amateur programs like Crafty or Comet). >>> >>>>Also there is "No POSITION LIKE THAT". >>> >>>??? >>> >>>>Also I am not talking about >>>>myself. >>> >>>Then how do you know what 1500 players will do if you aren't one? Clearly you >>>would have no idea if you were not in that category. >>> >>>>Please keep the discussion at a nonpersonnal level.And give evidence for >>>>what you say.ie .Show me the 1500 elo plyer and the position. >>> >>>Look at Uri's position down below. A 1000 patzer would take the pawn in a >>>heartbeat and computers are without a clue. >> >>The computer move is not a mistake there but the move of the child (less than 10 >>years old) is also not a mistake. >> >>The problem there is not a bad move of the computer but the fact that the >>computer may say that a move is a mistake when it is not a mistake. >> >>Note that I believe that the child who played with white had probably rating of >>more than 1500. >> >>I have rating that is close to 2000 but I need to think to see that capturing >>the pawn is also a draw. >> >>The game was posted in the other forum. >> >>Uri > >I copy the important part of the game to this forum >It was a championship under 10 and I know from expereince that there are childs >at this age with rating of 1800. > >The game was a game of more than 500 plies because the sides did not know or >prefered not to use the 50 move rule to ask for a draw. > >I guess that the rating of the players was close to 1700-1800 based >on this game. >There were no stupid errors but there were some small tactical errors like >12...Qxc3 that is losing the queen for a rook and a bishop and 14.Ra2 that miss >winning that deal. > >1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.d3 Nd4 6.Be3 c5 7.0-0 0-0 8.a3 Bxc3 >9.bxc3 Nxf3+ 10.Qxf3 d6 11.h3 Qa5 12.Qd1 Qxc3 13.Bd2 Qb2 14.Ra2 Qb6 15.Qf3 Qd8 >16.Qg3 Ne8 17.Bh6 Bd7 18.Be3 b5 19.Bb3 a5 20.c3 a4 21.Bc2 Qa5 22.Bd2 Rb8 23.Qe3 >Be6 24.Rb2 Nf6 25.Rfb1 Bd7 26.c4 Qa6 27.cxb5 Bxb5 28.Bc3 Rb7 29.Qd2 Rfb8 30.Qd1 >h6 31.Bd2 d5 32.exd5 Nxd5 33.Qg4 Bd7 34.Rxb7 Rxb7 35.Qd1 Rxb1 36.Qxb1 Qb5 37.Qe1 >f6 38.Qe4 Qc6 39.Bxa4 Qxa4 40.Qxd5+ Kh7 41.Qa2 Bb5 42.Be3 Qd1+ 43.Kh2 Qxd3 >44.Bxc5 Qc4 45.Qxc4 Bxc4 46.Kg3 Kg8 47.Kg4 Kf7 48.Kh5 Be2+ 49.Kh4 g5+ 50.Kg3 h5 >51.f3 f5 52.Be3 f4+ 53.Kf2 Bd3 54.Bd2 Kf6 55.Ke1 Kf5 56.Kf2 h4 57.Ke1 e4 >58.fxe4+ Bxe4 59.Kf2 g4 60.a4 g3+ 61.Kg1 Bd5 62.a5 Bc4 63.a6 Bxa6 64.Bxf4 Kxf4 >65.Kh1 Bc8 66.Kg1 Bb7 67.Kh1 Ke3 68.Kg1 Ke2 69.Kh1 Bxg2+ > You did not mention the "championship" part, and I thought it was just some kids at a local club. Actually, it's probably a lot better move than I would have made at 10 years old.
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